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    Question DHTML and Opera; can they go together?

    Hi all, I have recently decided to support Opera 6 in what I do. However, I find that no dhtml scripts sites I know of available online actually works in that browser (dynamicdrive, opencube, dhtmlcentral, dhtmlshock, etc.).

    Is it just that I don't know the good resources or that Opera really sucks at DHTML?

    If you guys have any good resources with REAL cross-browser DHTML, please let me know.

    Thanks
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    been having same problem w/ Opera and dont now any solutions so i just made sure in my dynamic navigation that if dhtml doesn;t work opera user can still click on the top link...

    this probably doesn't help

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    Originally posted by Wbmstr84
    been having same problem w/ Opera and dont now any solutions so i just made sure in my dynamic navigation that if dhtml doesn;t work opera user can still click on the top link...

    this probably doesn't help
    Well, it made me laugh that's a start

    That's just about the decision I've taken too. I figure if I can't get it to work, at least I'll try to offer alternatives... It just pisses me off very badly
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    I gave up. I just try to make it look as good as possible in Opera. It doesn't support any tradition DOM navigation method which leaves a lot to be desired. And if I have to create some special code to make certain things work for 'another' browser. forget it.
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    Originally posted by Maelstrom
    I gave up. I just try to make it look as good as possible in Opera. It doesn't support any tradition DOM navigation method which leaves a lot to be desired. And if I have to create some special code to make certain things work for 'another' browser. forget it.
    Exactly... what's the point of dropping non-standards compliant browser (like NS4) if it's to start all over hacking around methods to comply with a browser that is SUPPOSE to be standards compliant?

    I don't even want to hear about workarounds at this point. I follow standards, period. As I said in some other posts, it's a decision I can afford to make. I've busted my a$$ for over 4 years trying to comply with software to wouldn't deliver their end of the bargain.

    I say nuke'em

    If the validators say my code is good and it doesn't work somewhere then that somewhere isn't worth my coding time.

    (wwooaahhh that felt good... I needed some venting)

    On a more serious note, it is possible to code for Opera 6. I've stumbled upon two dhtml scripts that we made (where I work) that actually work great in opera. The problem is, I can't figure out why those work and others don't...
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    opera

    I love and use regularly opera for three reasons

    (1) its zoom which allows me to magnify images and text of any website

    (2)and the fact i can turn javascript and pop-ups off with two clicks.

    (3)its implementation of f11 to maximize the browser window without any browser bar or indication that you are viewing a web page, it is wonderful for presentations,

    it is positively amazing the number of sites that do not have any navigation without javascript. cannot go anywhere. even porn sites.

    please, please reproduce your links with plain A tags and descriptive text at the bottom of the page. no javascript or anything fancy, no need to interfere with your design.

    its just common courtesy to have alternative navigation that works with any and every browser from lynx to konqueror.

    yes, opera does not at yet have a good handle on the dom, but it is coming.

    stevo

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    Re: opera

    Originally posted by Stevo please, please[/B] reproduce your links with plain A tags and descriptive text at the bottom of the page. no javascript or anything fancy, no need to interfere with your design.[/B]
    Of course...

    I do all I can to suport Opera (and accessibility issues for that matter), only because its a standardized browser. It's just disapointing it's not as performant as some others in regards to standards compliancy.
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    Re: opera

    But see we are back at the original problem with coding for the web. Cross browser techniques. This is not good. I code for the Dom and the standards. Opera doesn't support the Dom. (very well anyways) this is the same problem Netscape 4.7 had. I really hope Opera catches up because to give it its kudos it is a great browser.
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    I haven't had any problem with dhtml in Oprea 5 but haven't got 6 so haven't checked, I still icnlude plain A links at bottom though ....

    I use dmb dhtml menus from xfx.software.net

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