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    Browser Stats

    Been looking around but I have been unsatisfied with the answers I found so far. I'm trying to get and idea of which browsers are being used and I just can't seem to get a consensus answer. I get wide fluctuations when it comes to estimating how many Gecko based browsers are being used and that's only when they even seem to acknowledge they exist (Netscape 5 anyone?).

    Basically, here's what I am looking for (percentage of market share):

    IE 6
    IE 5.5
    IE 5
    IE 4 or <
    All Gecko based browsers as a group (Netscape 6+, Mozilla, Firefox, CompuServe 7, AOL for Macintosh OS X, Galeon, Phoenix, Chimera)
    NN 4.x or <
    Opera 7+
    Opera 6 or <
    All others as a group

    I've been to the all of major stat providers and they vary too much for my liking):

    www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
    www.thecounter.com/stats/
    www.webreference.com/stats/browser.html
    http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm

    Personal stats are always appreciated. Just be sure to tell what kind of site it is from as that can influence the stats (geek sites will get more opera and gecko browsers).

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    (geek sites will get more opera and gecko browsers)
    lol, well I guess SitePoint's stats must have Opera and Gecko based browsers in the lead.

    Interesting to see how much IE has grown since the mid 90's. I personally use Firefox. Does that make me a geek?

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    The best (in terms of browser detection) mass market stats I've found are here: http://www.ranking.pl/rank.php?stat=browAL. The problem is that they're stats for the Polish mass market, and therefore not terribly relevant to (for instance) the USA.

    Stats are inherently problematic. There are all sorts of selection bias problems, browser detection problems, methodology problems, and so on.

    Right now, I trust TheCounter.com's stats about as far as I can throw the average office building - in third place, the browser with no name. Elsewhere, IE1 has more users than IE4? I don't think so.

    The only stats that are really useful are the stats for your own site - but even there, you have to watch out for nasty feedback effects (if your site doesn't work in MegaBrowser 1.3, you woon't get many visitors with that browser, so it's low in the stats, so you don't fix it, etc.)

    About the best use I've found for general stats is to watch them long term, and look for trends. If three different sources show Ultrabrowser 2 gaining market share, then it's probably gaining market share, even if those sources rank it at 1%, 5%, and 25%

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    Here's something I read in an article:

    MSIE: 95%
    Mozilla: 3.5%
    Opera: .5%

    Unfortunately they have lumped all versions into one stat so it's not too useful but I figured I'd share anyway.

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    Since I wrote my earlier post, TheCounter.com have sorted their browser detection out, and their may/june 2004 stats actually look pretty sane.

    About a month ago I wrote up a quick analysis of data from four sources over the previous 12 months, and my impressions of the current situation, based on those and other sources. Details here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/blufive/104124.html

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    here's what I use...

    http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_trends.htm

    added: sorry, just realised that's one you've got on your list already

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    As you've noticed, stats vary greatly; I wouldn't rely on them too much.

    My personal site (which is somewhat 'geeky') log has these numbers:

    IE6: 60%
    Gecko: 20%
    IE5x: 10%
    KHTML: 1%
    Netscape4: 1%

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    I can show you the stats for a medium-traffic site of completely low-tech, average users from the southern US. This would reflect the 'average joe' type of visitor. Check your private messages for address and password.

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    W3Schools has released their July stats and it looks like Opera is the big winner amongst webmasters gaining more then 1%. Mozilla gained again as well and IE saw a loss overall.

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

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    W3schools' stats are a bit odd. They actually update them through the month. They've had june numbers up for weeks, but they've changed a couple of times in that period. I'd regard the June number shown there now (which has been published in the last 48 hours) as final, and the I'd regard July one as provisional - there will be a correction or two in the next few weeks. Not that I spend far too much time watching web browser stats or anything.

    A couple of provisos: remember that those are stats for a single, specialist (web-authoring) site. Most of the visitors are (relatively) techie geeks, so there's a significant degree of demographic bias in the data sample.

    That said, it shows continuing strong growth for Moz, which is now well clear of IE5 as the number two browser on that site.

    The increase in the Opera figure might not be as impressive as it appears - if you add up all the numbers shown, and subtract from 100 to get an "other" figure, the "other" figure has dropped sharply (by 1%) from june to july - I suspect thy just tweaked their browser detection behind the scenes. Good news for opera, though, regardless.

    Elsewhere, other stats site show the same trends (if different actual numbers) - moz and opera are growing, at a rate that is starting to get difficult to ignore.

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    Looks like Mozilla is making gains: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116848,00.asp

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    Looks like w3schools.com keeps revising Firefox upwards and IE downwards. Opera also saw an adjustment downward but is still making positive gains vs IE's downward trend.

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

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    Told you they'd update . They'll probably update the july figure again after the end of the month.

    The 3+% for Opera earlier in the month definitely looks like a blip.

    Every source I see has Moz going up significantly in the last month or so, and showing no signs of slowing down. Things are starting to get interesting...

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    Let's bump an old thread here with the comment, "Mozilla-based browsers certainly seems to have a full head of steam amongst webmasters". According to W3Schools it's starting to take a significant chunk out of IE's share. I wonder what the upper limit for it's growth will be? I also wonder how much ground it has gained since websidestory.com released their report saying that Mozilla had gained over 1% of the market back from IE?

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    I'd apply a little caution to the (provisional) W3schools September figure - they got slashdotted in the first few days of the month, which is probably going to tweak IE down and minority browsers up...

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    That would certainly skew the data. Then again, being a webmaster site, their stats are already skewed .

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    You know what I personally think is funny is that the folks over at WebStandards launched this BrowseHappy website where they promote non-IE browsers. Then you see the list of what the people are using ( they list mozilla, firefox, opera, and safari) and 9 out of the 10 folks are using FireFox, and one guy is using Opera.

    it would have been cool to see a wider array of users. As of now they just sound like a bunch of firefoxin' promotin' people <_<

    btw, i use ff too

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    ...according to Web analytics firm WebSideStory. The percentage of visitors to e-commerce and corporate sites that used Firefox or another Mozilla browser grew to 5.2 percent in September, from 3.5 percent in June 2004. Meanwhile, Microsoft's share of the users shrank from 95.5 percent in June to 93.7 percent in September, according to the company.
    http://news.com.com/Firefox+drawing+...j=news.1032.20


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