Should I put the keywords I want to rank for at the top?

I am baffled why my clients website is not ranking #1 for its keyword

Because the competition’s sites are awful and dont have as many powerful backlinks either

I wonder if its because the site needs to have the main keywords written at the top of the website? (in addition to Title Tags)

It might help if there’s really no competition for the keyword, but it’s the anchor text of good backlinks and text around those backlinks that will help a lot more than anything you do to the page content.

make keyword density 5-7% on the page n use anchor text the same keyword for backlinks

Having readable content is far more important than any particular keyword density.

Lets see… this site has:

  1. Superior backlinks with anchor text

  2. However the keyword isnt mentioned a ton of times on the homepage

I dont think the meta tags are done well… could that be an issue or do they not matter?

revise the on page optimization
the build better links for that site
and dont forget the age factor: if you looked on yahoo it will be very clear

Age factor… yes some sites are older and are ranking higher

But newer sights newer than my client… are ranking high

Are any of you guys real big experts and want to look at the site and see if anything is wrong, missing, etc?

Jonathan

“awful” in YOUR eyes means nothing to Google.

How do you know that YOUR back links are better?

Yahoo Site Explorer?

Yahoo is not the official link counter of the internet and Google could
care less what Yahoo counts.

Put your keywords in as often as possible. Try not to use us/we/I/it or
anything other than a keyword or company name. Pronoun usage is not
manatory; this is not English 101, it’s business!

:smiley:

Bompa

Yes, we can put the anchor text and build backlinks to rank higher in SERPS…

Again, not true, not the way it’s worded anyway which is misleading.

In ‘readable content’ there will be a natural distribution of keywords, they tend to fall into a range of keyword density, a naturally occurring density, that shouldn’t be exceeded if you don’t want your content to be ignored by google. Google have confirmed recently that if you exceed an acceptable density the copy in question will be considered ‘boiler plate text’ and ignored. Maybe you overlooked this thread.

So keyword density is important in that you should be aware that if you exceed a naturally occurring density you risk Google completely ignoring the very keyword phrase that you’re trying to target.

No they didn’t. They said

The Keywords list will sometimes exclude words that we determine to be boiler plate text or common words.
(my bolding)

We don’t know what Google’s definitions of “boilerplate text” and “common words” are. Boilerplate text could mean lorem ipsum, or an often copied review of an affiliate product. The same with common words.

Google are probably aware that most people understand the concept of keyword density. If they were making a statement about keyword density here, they would have used that phrase.

It’s the popularity of the backlinks that count. It’s better to have fewer quality backlinks than many backlinks from sites that don’t rank well themselves
John Chartrand

I was nervous of keyword stuffing

It must be because we dont have the keyword mentioned a bunch of times on the Homepage, its all I can think of

Its mentioned a few times - the site has STRONG .edu backlinks… with the targeted anchor text!.. It should be #2, instead it comes up on the 2nd page

2 factor

  1. content—>update everyday
  2. SEO

Hey Sarah… I dont think updating the site every day makes a difference

There are homepages that update once a year and are still #1 always

Jonathan

Mybe you must choice keyword with low competitive but high of search …
Because with keyword, your’e websites is more easy to found…
You can do SEO techniques :

On Page Optimization :
choice and improving keyword in URL, Title, Content website, Keyword tags …

Off Page Optimization :
social bookmarking / social networking, forum submission, article submission, press release, blog commenting…

Thanks and hoping can helps

Mate, this is hair splitting to the extreme, plus we already covered this on the other thread so I’m going to cut and paste my last post from there to save me typing it again.

What I said:

Your’e right, it doesn’t use the word density but what it makes clear is that if you overuse a keyword phrase or text element to the point that Google considers it ‘boilerplate’ then it will ignore it. That’s the same thing as establishing a density for that text that is too high since the more you use something, the higher percentage of the text it will account for. Plus, SEORoundtable consider it a keyword density issue which is some pretty highlevel support for the theory and this whole issue was sparked by this - “a webmaster was asking why the most used words on his site is not showing up in the keywords report in Google Webmaster Tools.”

The most used words on his site… since a keyword by definition is one that’s ‘key’ it’s likely to be used a lot and in important places therefore bumping up it’s relative density. This is a keyword density issue.

Sure, because Google are famous for always being staighforward, they’re never vague, they never obfuscate and they never ever dance around subjects without calling a spade a spade. :rolleyes:

If you can’t read between the lines with Google you might as well just take what they at face value which means that you must also believe that everything they put in their ‘seo’ guide is all that seo actually comprises right?

Come on…

No it isn’t. If every site pushing affiliate product A (including mine) uses the same cut and paste text from the merchant’s site, they are all using “boilerplate” text. Even though I’m using this text just once, I’m still using boilerplate text. The keyword density may be very low within that text, but it’s boilerplate nonetheless. I can understand why search engines might want to exclude this.

The linked discussion is about boilerplate text, not keyword density. They are quite different.

keyword density is very important for seo

I think you’ve misunderstood what ‘boiler plate’ means in this context. You using the same text as the site your an affiliate for is not an example of boiler plate from an SEO point of view, it’s dup content. Yes, using text like that could be considered boiler plate but if it’s repeated over and over in one site without being found anywhere else on the internet it will be considered boiler pate too and the only way to calcualte is to count it’s occurence rate, i.e. it’s density in relation to the other words on the page. Did you read the GWF thread? This is from it:

The Keywords list will sometimes exclude words that we determine to be boiler plate text or common words. This varies from site to site.

How does one identify a ‘common’ word, must be by calculating how often it’s used… i.e it’s density again.