Need some Non-Technical Advise on A Website Project

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Hello everyone,

I am working on my personal page and I am seriously considering using a Slider/Fader for a Banner Rotator.

The problem is I cannot find one that really does or have the capabilities I need.

I spent an entire week browsing the web, I found the following websites with hundreds of JQuery Slider, Like this one: 60 Excellent jQuery Image Sliders and Tutorials - tripwire magazine

And this one: 28 Useful JQuery Sliders You Need To Download | Design your way

The problem is, all these sliders are mostly good for images.
Some are not smooth enough and even flicker when transitioning.

I do not program JQuery and all I can say is that they are great work but just not what I am looking for.

Some of them are dumped job , meaning they were developed and dumped on the internet with no author support.

I am thinking after a week of researching, I need to simply ditch the idea of a rotator or slider.

I am seriously leaning towards a PHP Random Image every time the page refreshes.

What should I do, I will give it one last shot by seeing if I can hire someone to design a fader/rotator for me with specific specification, otherwise I’ll just let go the idea.

Any advise? Please I need your professional input.

Thanks.

IC

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What do you need it for if you say a problem is that they are all for images?

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I admit I’m confused too.

You say “Banner Rotator”. Aren’t banners images?

Or did you mean to say
“The problem is, all these sliders are mostly not very good for images.”

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I need something that rotates images and text in a DIV.

Something like this: SAMSUNG

But I noticed the text part of the image, but was confused by the link. Is the link area a hot spot?

Thanks.

IC

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ooh ok :slight_smile:

Yea I guess it is a hotspots. Since I can save the entire image (Button and all). Not sure how you can integrate that in to an image tho right? :o

EDIT:
But do you need text with links like that? Or just text where the image can be the link?

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I know how to make the hot Spot, easy in Adobe Fireworks.
However, it is JavaScript based.

What I need is a rotator/fader/slider that smoothly scroll(changes) images and I can add text and a link.

I feel using the samsung method is not very assessable.

IC

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It is possible to do “content sliders” - jquery I think, that slide the content containing images and whatever.

You said “However, it is JavaScript based”.

You don’t want to use javascript or just not jquery?

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What I meant was the JavaScript produced by Fireworks is mostly not unobtrusive.

That’s what I was meaning when I mentioned JavaScript.

Thanks for the input.

IC

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IMHO it can be obtrusive as long as there’s a fall-back and it’s accessible.

Have you thought about when javascript and/or CSS and/or images are disabled?

Does it matter greatly for your target audience?

Blashemous I know, but if it is an “image” site I guess you can somewhat disregard no-image concerns.

Alternate display based on page load?

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Okay, I really appreciate your help. But why would anyone turn any of those features off and expect to view a web page as intended.

These are my three personal conditions for my pages:

  1. I do not design pages for people who turn JavaScript off
  2. People who disable images (unless print style sheet and mobile device)
  3. People who simply won’t up grade internet explorer.

Lets say I have a car, I open the hood and pull out the battery terminal, then I try to listen to the radio. Then I complain that the car sucks because the radio doesn’t work when I remove the battery.

I am always ready and humble to learn and maybe you can help me.

Do you know of any device that doesn’t support JavaScript? Honestly, I am curious, I am not trying to be sarcastic just wondering.

I mean honestly, do people really expect to get a web experience when they do this?

On the other hand I was thinking about the Samsung web site. Do you think they simply added a link (absolute position over the image), give the text a negative text indent, display block and then make the image appear as a hot spot?

That would work right?

Lets discuss further.

IC

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I don’t surf with JavaScript on, and why would I? There are security and performance issues with scripting running and I pay for bandwidth. Furthermore a page should still function without JS or it cannot be considered accessible. Let alone the different combination of user agents that don’t cope well with JS for example and Lynx doesn’t support it.

Again, the user may turn off images or be using an assistive device or Lynx that doesn’t make use of images. As for Internet Explorer really people should not be using M$IE let alone outdated versions but some business in their network policies will not allow users to upgrade, etc.

I have a ‘good web experience’ without enabling JavaScript it’s fantastic - so what, I don’t see a few fancy features but I don’t miss them one bit. Unless the web author was so ignorant the page is broken (doesn’t even function) without JS running.

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From a business stand-point the question is do you care about losing the few people w/ JavaScript disabled and fewer with images disabled. Sad to say all the sites for company I work for will not function without JavaScript. However, our audience is so large that from a business stand-point we could care less. Besides, ads and tracking are the main money maker and will not function w/o JavaScript. So it makes some sense to require JavaScript being on otherwise we get not ad hits or analytics. Call it ignorance but from a business perspective it actually makes sense. I’m not saying all sites should be created that way though. Most average users will only have JS disabled when trying to block ads, tracking or something anyway. In that case they are worthless anyway, from a business perspective.

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Does Facebook work without JavaScript? I have never seen any major website work without JavaScript.

Sure you can disable JavaScript, it’s your power and choice but I will not pull one hair trying to make pages for people who intentionally do something like this.

This is what have plagued web design(development) for years. Instead of encourage people to upgrade from IE6, Professionals were developing hacks. IE was rotten, I agree, but there is IE 7, 8, 9. Are you going to say I am going to use IE 6 because it’s my personal choice and designers have to make it work? LOL

Home depot has two websites, 1 for Dial and the other for high speed.

It goes both ways.

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Is the user ever ignorant?

IC

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This website works without JS, so does Google I could name a whole list. I meant core functionally - like navigation from page 1 to page 2. Not ‘bells and whistles’ or fancy effects using ‘progressive enhancement’ that differs as that would be a valid use.

Facebook, well that site is dying anyway hence the fake inflation on the stock market caused by the huge panic that people will leave in their droves, etc. I have zero use for Facebook myself, but I can navigate and view content on that site.

I think you slightly misunderstood what I said about legacy IE, some businesses are locked into using it by their company policy. I don’t support that browser in fact I don’t support IE8 either. I didn’t say cater for them.

The user isn’t the author in all cases and possibly didn’t write the webpage but in some cases the user will be the author. Hence there is a probability they could be considered ignorant of certain user groups. I meant generically in respect to legal requirements and web accessibility.

If you want to make a site the requires client-side scripting then that’s your choice but you cannot guarantee the user will be using a device with such functionally enabled. It’s swings-and-roundabouts.