I Still Made $12,961 in January Even with 2 Major Mistakes. Here's How I Did It

Hello Site…Pointers!

Dan Brock here.

I am literally floored right now because I just totaled up my January 2010 sales figures from my internet marketing activities, and I managed to rake in $12,961 in sales in that month alone! This was all done even though I made 2 major major mistakes, which I will talk about later on in the my post.

Now, Obviously I had expenses:

  • PPC
  • Other advertising costs
  • Outsourcing costs
  • Refunds

Even with those expenses, my profit for January is over $10,000 which I am very proud of myself for.

And…

I did it in under 9 months from complete scratch in markets that I had absolutely no assets in – No websites, no brand, no lists, no affiliates, no knowledge in any of my niches, nothing.

I also did it using techniques that have been in use for at least a decade now(all of which I learned from the WF and various marketers I follow), so it’s not like I had some ‘magic bullet’ on my side.

Now look…I’m not trying to brag here or anything. In fact, compared to some of the other success stories here, I am the little guy. I was watching a Lee McIntyre video the other day, and he was talking about how he did something like $30k on his 5 month online, so I am by no means special.

I just wanted to do my best to give back to my subscribers, and to help some of you who are struggling with making money online.

Before I talk about how to do it, I want to talk about something VERY important – and that is your mental attitude.

Your Mental Attitude Plays a Major Rule In Your Success Online – This is NOT BS.

I think I had somewhat of an advantage over the average joe because at 16 I started my own web hosting service and was very successful with it. Because of that, it gave me certain assurances.

I was assured to know that any work done online will eventually turn into rewards. I think a lot of new guys and gals fail at this because they don’t have that reassurance.

They don’t understand that there is a curve to when you put in your work to when you start seeing returns, and end give up after they don’t see money after a measly week or two.

When I started this business 9 months ago, I went into this with a positive attitude.

Not ‘if’ I will make money…but when.

I fully believe that if your mind and attitude is right, absolutely nothing will stop you from being successful. Now obviously it won’t happen overnight, but with the right mindset, a good work ethic, and some time, the money will start to pour in.

I also want to address upon the people who doubt. You know who you are.

[LIST]

[]‘This will never work…’ (aka I’m too lazy to try)
[
]‘It’s too saturated now…’
[*] ‘I don’t have anything worthwhile to provide’
[/LIST]

All of the statements are BS!

I will tell you right now that with anything that you try online, if you go into it with the attitude of ‘this will never work’, it won’t work. You have already set yourself up to fail because your expectations are failure.

What happens when your mind is like this is that you will half-ass everything. You won’t follow through with anything because you already believe it won’t work. You won’t create the right kind of content because you have already killed your will power only because you believe you will fail.

Too bad…no money for you. If you are reading this now and I am describing you, get over yourself and get to work.

Secondly, If I hear another person say ‘It’s too saturated now…’, I am going to puke on myself. This is the most half baked excuse you could ever give.

NOTHING is too saturated online. There is always someone out there who will hustle harder and grind longer than the next. Your mental attitude will allow you to keep chugging along.

Personal fact: 90% of the money I have ever made online has all been done in so called ‘oversaturated’ niches.

Alright, enough of the mind warrior stuff, let’s get to the blueprints.

Making My First $4000/m With Affiliate Marketing

I made my first $4k/m doing affiliate marketing using age old techniques that haven’t really changed since 2000.

I think It’s best to start out as an affiliate for the following reasons:

  • It’s easy
  • You can build up your seed capital
  • You will learn important techniques like pre-selling, list building, traffic generation, etc.
  • There is hardly any risk involved
  • It’s the first stepping stone onto something greater.

The basic form of affiliate marketing is little more than find a niche, find an offer, build a website, and start driving traffic.

The problem is, there are a million and one ways to go about that, which kind of confuses people.

Now, I’m sure most of you reading this took the advice of some of the gurus out there and started out on the notorious Clickbank affiliate network.

Which is all fine and dandy…if it were 2005.

I’m not saying you can’t make money off Clickbank(I get Clickbank checks all the time), it’s that nowadays, unless you know what you are doing, you are going to get eaten alive.

So for all you newbies out there, I would recommend you stay away from clickbank for a few months. At least until you get some basic skill sets down.

Instead, start with an easier, less crowded affiliate network like Amazon.com.

Amazon is super easy to start making a quick and stable income.

Use Amazon to build up your confidence, and to build you a base level income which you can use to fund future expansion.

Next we move onto Clickbank

After your level up your affiliate marketing skills a level or two, it’s time to move up to a more advanced form of affiliate marketing.

I am a fan of using mailing lists for clickbank related products.

I personally have found it pretty hard to sell an ebook by simply writing a 300 article and slapping an affiliate link in it. In my opinion, the days of easy sells like that are pretty much gone because virtually everyone does it.

Instead, I tend to use this model for CB promotions:

Articles (blog or article directory) —-> Squeeze Page —-> Mailing list follow up —> Product review page(this is where your affiliate links are) —-> Social proof —> freebie —-> social proof —> additional informative freebie articles.

I know this sounds crazy, so let me give you a visual:

The reason why I like to do it like this is that I personally have found it hard to convert people right from an article. This gives us more opportunities to build trust and follow up with our offer again and again.

An important note on freebies

Nowadays I create two freebies instead of one. The first one is to tempt for an opt-in, the second one(usually a video) is to further build trust and authority, as well as it gives us another opportunity to present our offer in a high converting manner.

The key to this entire model is to create GOOD freebies. A good freebie is something you would be willing to pay for.

Not some piece of crap that you threw together in an hour just to fulfill one of your freebie requirements.

You want to give genuinely valuable content. Sorry to break that to you, but it’s 100% required.

Why this model is important

The reason why this model is important is that it can be used to do greater and better things. This model is something you can use when you progress into more advanced techniques like product creation.

Enter Mistake Number 1: Dropping My Affiliate Sites Too Early

My first major mistake I made was that I stopped building affiliate sites to early. I was starting to get bored with affiliate site creation, and decided to move onto product creation(thank you ADD!). What I should have done was continued with my affiliate site creation as I would probably have made a lot more than $12,961. I would probably be at the $20k/m mark right now if I would have continued.

But that’s OK. I’d rather do what I want to instead of forcing myself to do something I don’t.

My recommendation to you is that if you can, stick it out for as long as possible. It gets boring…trust me. But looking back, it would have been in my better interest to continue with my affiliate sites.

The Next Level: Progressing to Product Creation

Once you have mastered Clickbank selling as an affiliate, it’s time to move on to bigger and better things…

And that is product creation…

Product creation was responsible for nearly $9,000 in sales for me in January.

The reason product creation is so powerful is for three reasons:

  • Affiliates build your assets(I’m not pro at this yet).
  • You get all the money, allowing you to advertise in places that regular old affiliates cannot afford.
  • You get to build your list of buyers

When starting out, I HIGHLY recommend you create products in niches you are actually interested in or have knowledge in.

You also have to make sure people are interested in your topic.

I recommend that for your first product you mimic what is working for someone else. If you go and try and go after some never tested ‘big’ idea that you have, chances are it will either fail, or take forever to finish.

Mistake Number 2: Creating a Product No One Wanted

The very first product I created not only took me the longest, but it made me the least amount of money. I wanted to create a product where no one else had gone before.

Big mistake.

What I didn’t do was check and see if people wanted it.

Oops.

So how do you know if people want your product?

Look at what is currently selling, and mimic!

There are certain niches that I consider ’super niches’ with proven buyers that are prime candidates for new products:

  [LIST]

[]Dog training
[
]MMO
[]Forex
[
]Dating
[]MMA
[
]Internet Marketing
[]Cooking
[
]Wine
[]Music
[
]Language
[*]Etc.
[/LIST]

I’m not saying that if you are totally clueless about the above niches that you should go and make your first product there. I’m just saying that you will probably see better results in the above niches because they have already proven to be buyer oriented.

Let Me Use Dog Training As An Example

Dog training is a massive niche that has tons and tons of products created around it.

You know what will work? Creating yet another product on dog training!

The key is to put your own spin on it, position your product differently than the rest, and then get your offer in front of eyes of people before they see an offer for a similar product.

It doesn’t matter if your product teaches the exact same thing as someone else’s as long as you get in front of the customer’s eyes first and make the sale.

So how do you put your own spin on it?

Using the dog training example, we could make our product about basic dog training. Usually these types of products are positioned as ‘Learn dog training from a 30 year dog training’.

Instead I would position my product as ‘Watch as this person who knows nothing about dogs, trains his dog to follow his every command in less than 30 minutes’

The spin is that the product is more newbie oriented than it would be from the guy who made the same product who has 30 years of experience.

Once your product is created, make your sales page and then tie it into your payment processor.

Then we get started on the fun part which is getting the customers.

Forget About Getting Affiliate To Sell Your First Product

Everyone says ‘Make product, put on affiliate network, and start recruiting affiliates’ as the best way to make money with this method.

I think this is complete and utter BS.

FORGET ABOUT RECRUITING AFFILIATES FOR YOUR FIRST PRODUCT

You will only set yourself back.

Who is going to want to promote no-name joe’s $17 ebook when there are more well known offers out there with customer value in the $200+ range.

Think about it – which would you be more like to respond to:

[INDENT]‘Hello, I got a $17 book that I am launching on how to train dogs. Will you promote it for me? I will give you 50% commission’

OR

‘Hello, I am launching a $17 ebook which also has a $29.95/m continuity program as well as an additional $67 upsell all of which you get 50% commission on. Oh, and did I mention that I’d be willing to send your offer to my list of 10,000 customers in return?’[/INDENT]

Instead of focusing on getting affiliates at first, focus on driving your own sales to bring you income, creating complimentary products, all the while building your own personal list of customers which you can use to leverage affiliates later on.

The Sales Start To Trickle In…Now It’s Time to Expand

OK so now instead of wasting your time looking for that one affiliate who may change your life, you decided to promote your product on your own and do it all on your own steam.

You now have yourself a list of 100 buyers.

Time for the easy part.

All you have to do now is listen.

Listen to the questions your customers are asking you.

Let’s say you launched your $17 dog training ebook and say 40% of the questions asked were about ‘How to get your dog ready for dog shows?’.

Hmmmm……

What does that tell you?

People want to know about training dogs for dog shows.

Do you think that if you created a product on dog training for dog shows and marketed it to your list of 100 customers that it would sell well?

Definitely!

You can also assume that people who aren’t yet your customers, will probably also want to know how to train dogs for dog shows.

Listen to your customers, because they will tell you exactly what they want.

Quick sales to your current customer base isn’t the only advantage of creating this complimentary product either.

You can simultaneously market your 2nd product to other people while you market your original ebook. Now you have 2 lead generation products which will double the rate at which you build your buyers list.

Not only that, but you have just increased the overall customer value of someone who comes to buy your $17 book, because you have a 2nd product to offer them during the upsell process and back end.

You are now looking more favorable to potential affiliates and JV partners.

I am currently at the stage of where it is time to start recruiting affiliates, and now that I have all my ducks in a row, I am 100% certain that my business is about to seriously explode.

But remember, this doesn’t happen overnight. It takes time and consistent effort.

Enjoy!
-Dan Brock

Well, I just started using using VC’s pop-unders for a client site of mine. It is doing OK as far making $$ for them, and is actually making a little more per day then one of the VC skyscraper ads that is also on the site. Nothing spectacular, though. The other VC ads on the site make about 300% more per day.

I personally would probably not use them for my personal site, since the return is not worth the annoyance to a site visitor of having to close extra windows because of the pop-under. It takes very little negativity to chase a site a visitor away, but a lot of work to first get them to your site and more importantly, to keep them there. That is why I always prefer to let them have 100% control of site navigation.

Great information, I just started with the affiliate online business. I will follow what you have and see how it turns out

No offense Dan, you make some good points, but for someone that claims to be doing so well, it seems odd that the site would use exit pop-ups as a desperate last plea for $47 dollars.

IMHO if it looks like a scam, acts like a scam, and sounds to good to be true …

Still. at least some of the statements in the opening post are valid and worth considering. And it would be interesting to discuss them further. You won’t see me wasting any of my money on any get rich schemes, but please discuss.

Is “mental attitude” the first step?

I admit that to determine if they work would require some conversion analysis. So it very well could be that they do in fact produce some results.

My attitude is that if someone has made the decision to leave, they don’t need to be pestered and insulted about whether or not they are making a right decision in leaving. It’s just too intrusive. But you are correct. That’s me, not everyone.

I would be interested in seeing data as to how many “leavers” actually do change their minds after getting an exit pop-up. And I would be likewise interested in seeing how many visitors return as customers without one vs. how many return with one. In other words, they may be capturing some sales, but they could also be losing some.

I still don’t understand this attitude, the exit pop-up most likely played a part in those earnings by capturing a few more sales from people who would have left and never come back anyway, that’s what they’re for. To not use one is to leave money on the table. You have to know your target demographic, Cartier’s client’s might not go for an exit strategy like that but the kind of poeple who buy lottery scratch cards probably will. Who are you selling to?

You get sold to all the time in ways that you probably don’t even notice most of the time but would object to if you did notice them, that’s marketing, it’s just the way it works.

This is the attitude that I don’t understand. Our world is full of advertising, we’re never away from it and most of it is highly intrusive (and as recent threads have discussed, some of it is highly immoral & unethical), but the second you put an exit pop-up on a website to try and capture a few more sign-ups from traffic that you would otherwise have lost, you’re a spam artist. The people who definitely don’t want the product AND are irritated by an exit pop-up are not the target demographic, I couldn’t care less what they think about the pop-up, I’m not here to improve their day to day browsing experience, I’m trying to make money. In fact if I had too many of those types I’d be looking to improve the quality of my traffic.

Pop-ups suit some contexts and not others but at the end of the day they’re about making more money and if I said to my clients " don’t use popups, some people don’t like them" they’d look at me as if I didn’t have their best interests in mind i.e. making them more money, and they’d be right.

Articles (blog or article directory) —-> Squeeze Page —-> Mailing list follow up —> Product review page(this is where your affiliate links are) —-> Social proof —> freebie —-> social proof —> additional informative freebie articles.

That’s a pretty standard full time affiliate marketing strategy and the guys who are good at it make a lot of money, it’s all about the list and if using pop-ups gets you a few more names on the list you should do it.

I don’t want to hijack this thread, so I’ve started another http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667538

But I am interested in discussing the points brought up in the OP.

So again, is “mental attitude” the first (and most important?) step in online marketing success?

I don’t think we’re hijacking it, this is a discussion about one of the techniques recommended by the OP. Perhaps because you see it as a Usability/ethical question and I just see it as a marketing strategy you think we’re off topic but I don’t.

As I said in my last post, this strategy is all about creating an email list and pop-ups are a way to add numbers to your all important list.

Do the maths, if I get 200 visitors to my site and say 10 of them sign up, 190 will just leave. But if I have an exit pop-up or a pop-under I might capture say 3 more sales from that 190 who left, that’s a 30% increase in sales from traffic that was leaving anyway. We’re not talking about Amazon here, or the BBC site, this only works in certain contexts.

:rolleyes: He does not want to talk about it anymore, and answer his damn question.

I’m sorry, but just about all you have written is fluff, with very few details on how you did it.

That is, if you did indeed actually make that much.

I know you put a lot in this post, but…

Nos Site Design Rule 5:
Always let the visitor determine where they will navigate to.

Call me old school, (I have been programming since the 80’s and web designing since the mid 90’s) but I have always felt that a site’s layout, navigation and content should be enough to sell yourself or your product, without having to beat it into them by taking over navigational control of the site, via pop-ups or other coercive methods.

Well then you’re leaving money on the table mate. Your choice of course.

Very well written by the OP and I agree to almost a lot of those in what he has written. But I agree somebody here also who said that it did not tackle much what has been done to attain such success… also about the pop exits and the likes i agree that if you are not using it you are leaving some cash on the table as it definitely brings in some more sales and even the big dogs in the industry are using that technique to add more sales. But then again, everyone has their own ways of dealing with things. If one don’t like it… then its his/her opinion and we must respect his belief on that… its his call…