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Ravedesigns · Jul 18, 2003, 05:53

Hey guys,

Quick question that crossed my mind this morning.

Is is possible to tell just where in the SE's my website ranks for certain search terms..and in particular, where I stand with Google?

Say for example I'm optimizing my site for the keywords "business marketing" - is there anyway I can tell how I rate in a search for those terms anywhere?

Thanks for your help!

Steve

devised · Jul 18, 2003, 05:58

You could use software like www.webposition.com. It will give you detailed reports on the position of search terms with the different engines. However, the trial version only allows you to use alta vista, hot bot, and all the web. I think there are a few others, but I have no experience in them nor can I remember their names right now...

moospot · Jul 18, 2003, 06:59

You can also try here (its free)

http://www.marketleap.com/verify/default.htm

Ravedesigns · Jul 18, 2003, 07:10

Thanks Devised, but I'm looking specifically for where my site stands in the listings.

Moospot's got the right idea. I forgot about that site and I was just playing with it last week. It would be nice to know just where my site placed, but knowing the first three pages of results is a help.

Thanks!

Steve

moospot · Jul 18, 2003, 07:14

Besides, if you aren't in the first 3 pages of the search results, your chances of getting a click-through are practically nil.

Ravedesigns · Jul 18, 2003, 07:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by moospot

Besides, if you aren't in the first 3 pages of the search results, your chances of getting a click-through are practically nil.

Yeah, I know - but it'd still be nice to know just how far up I have to climb.

moospot · Jul 18, 2003, 09:12

I know, but what can you expect? It's free!

D-flyer · Jul 18, 2003, 09:58

hmmm and what if your result is like:

Quote:

0 Placed, out of 11 engines and directories. 11 Not Placed.

i am doing something wrong, right

moospot · Jul 18, 2003, 10:00

How old is the site?

D-flyer · Jul 18, 2003, 10:03

Well the latest version 2 weeks
http://www.parktowersuite.com

It for a friend of mine

No really

moospot · Jul 18, 2003, 10:29

Google takes time to update. I would give it a couple of more weeks. Other engines aren't as reliable as Google, so unless you pay to have your site included in their index, you may be waiting a while.

coo_t2 · Jul 18, 2003, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-flyer

Well the latest version 2 weeks
http://www.parktowersuite.com

Are the frames on that site gonna cause any problems with the SE's?
The site looks really nice, but it doesn't look very search engine friendly to me, but I could be wrong. ??

--ed

Japhi · Jul 19, 2003, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-flyer

hmmm and what if your result is like:
[/b][/left]

i am doing something wrong, right

Tp start with put your keywords in your title.

D-flyer · Jul 20, 2003, 03:02

Hi
i read some more on the google forum and it seems that using iframes is a no-no for google.

Sorry let me explain, i read that a good internal link structure is a must, that is cross linking internal pages. So my use of iframes is not the way to go.

To optimize the website for google i think i must convert the pages with iframes into tables, but that's the one thing i wasn't happy with out of design opion. I like the box layout and the colored scroll bar for lenghty content.

Btw i also read that google doesn't use meta-tags for page ranking as the other SE do.

My questions:
1 How can i bypass the use of iframes and get a good internal link structure???

2 Is it true that optimizing a website for a search engine (ie get a better SE ranking) in a busy sector, like the hotel, travel sector is much harder to accomplish?

Thanks guys for the earlier suggestions

Optimum · Jul 20, 2003, 12:44

You can use the REPORTS section of WebPosition Gold 2. This will give you your position in all the major search engines for the keywords you specify. It also gives you more information that you may also find useful.

Rody · Jul 21, 2003, 03:58

You can also try this tool - http://www.webceo.com/freeware/ . I love it - power, very easy and FREE.

toograffic · Jul 24, 2003, 14:28

Excellent tool, Rody! Thanks! You get rep for this, my friend!

DaDaHost · Jul 24, 2003, 14:37

I tried out WPG a while back, but I liked SE Commando's reports the best.
I offer SEO and reporting as an upsale to my clients, and the SE Commando engine builds beautiful HTML email reports. It's definitely worth checking out.

Wow, Rody that Web CEO looks awesome!

Jamie

auchrins · Jul 24, 2003, 14:55

The Free Monitor for Google, formerly known as Google Monitor is what you are looking for. It IS VERY IMPORTANT in my opinion to know where you are even if you aren't on the first three pages. I monitor a few different sites very closely and on Google one can bounce anywhere from 2nd to 700th back to 5th in a matter of days. Even though google does a large update about once a month "the Google Dance" there is still variation on a daily basis. For instance the last Google Dance was on I believe the 15th of July. Yet for my most important search term I went form 10th to 3rd today. The reason it's important to know where you are even if you're not in the top three pages is because if you go from 700 to 600 to 500 ... 10th then you know something's going right. If the reverse is happening, you need to take a look at any changes you made, etc.

Ravedesigns · Jul 24, 2003, 15:39

Excellent links and some great tools here guys - thanks!!

Steve

maartenvr · Jul 24, 2003, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimum

You can use the REPORTS section of WebPosition Gold 2. This will give you your position in all the major search engines for the keywords you specify. It also gives you more information that you may also find useful.

Using WPG or any other ranking software to check rankings on Google is against their TOS. I would not reccomend doing that....

rezag · Jul 24, 2003, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by msiruit

Using WPG or any other ranking software to check rankings on Google is against their TOS. I would not reccomend doing that....

I am not saying I am familiar with their TOS but I read an article (can't remember where it was, it was long ago) a while back that explained why that is not the case and I agree and hope the article was accurate

Imagine it was against their TOS to check site rankings so your competitior could presumably hurt you by checking your ranking. It was not about WPG or anything but checking/querying google in general.
If I find the article I will post back with a link.

aspen · Jul 24, 2003, 20:35

Google does not allow automated queries on their website. You'll find that info by browsing Google.com

samsm · Jul 24, 2003, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by msiruit

Using WPG or any other ranking software to check rankings on Google is against their TOS. I would not reccomend doing that....

Yes, http://www.google.com/terms_of_service.html

toograffic · Jul 24, 2003, 22:30

I think I read the same article, rezag. Wish I could remember where.

Jul 18, 2003, 05:53	#1
Ravedesigns Community Advisor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 2,899	How do you find your position in the SE's? Hey guys, Quick question that crossed my mind this morning. Is is possible to tell just where in the SE's my website ranks for certain search terms..and in particular, where I stand with Google? Say for example I'm optimizing my site for the keywords "business marketing" - is there anyway I can tell how I rate in a search for those terms anywhere? Thanks for your help! Steve __________________ ## Free Marketing Book With 101 Marketing Ideas ## and Advice to Help Grow Your Business Fast ## Get It Now at www.expertmarketingadvice.com!

Jul 18, 2003, 07:10	#4
Ravedesigns Community Advisor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 2,899	Thanks Devised, but I'm looking specifically for where my site stands in the listings. Moospot's got the right idea. I forgot about that site and I was just playing with it last week. It would be nice to know just where my site placed, but knowing the first three pages of results is a help. Thanks! Steve __________________ ## Free Marketing Book With 101 Marketing Ideas ## and Advice to Help Grow Your Business Fast ## Get It Now at www.expertmarketingadvice.com!

Jul 21, 2003, 03:58	#16
Rody SitePoint Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Rs Posts: 7	free ranking checker You can also try this tool - http://www.webceo.com/freeware/ . I love it - power, very easy and FREE.

Jul 24, 2003, 14:28	#17
toograffic SitePoint Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 194	Excellent tool, Rody! Thanks! You get rep for this, my friend! __________________ The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison Retirement Communities and Senior Housing Options Freecycle.org

Jul 24, 2003, 14:37	#18
DaDaHost Jamison Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 244	I tried out WPG a while back, but I liked SE Commando's reports the best. I offer SEO and reporting as an upsale to my clients, and the SE Commando engine builds beautiful HTML email reports. It's definitely worth checking out. Wow, Rody that Web CEO looks awesome! Jamie Last edited by DaDaHost; Jul 24, 2003 at 14:53..

Jul 18, 2003, 05:58	#2
devised 3MTA3 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 1,014	You could use software like www.webposition.com. It will give you detailed reports on the position of search terms with the different engines. However, the trial version only allows you to use alta vista, hot bot, and all the web. I think there are a few others, but I have no experience in them nor can I remember their names right now...

Jul 18, 2003, 06:59	#3
moospot Xbox why have you forsaken me? Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 3,615	You can also try here (its free) http://www.marketleap.com/verify/default.htm

Jul 18, 2003, 07:14	#5
moospot Xbox why have you forsaken me? Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 3,615	Besides, if you aren't in the first 3 pages of the search results, your chances of getting a click-through are practically nil.

Jul 18, 2003, 09:12	#7
moospot Xbox why have you forsaken me? Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 3,615	I know, but what can you expect? It's free!

Jul 18, 2003, 10:00	#9
moospot Xbox why have you forsaken me? Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 3,615	How old is the site?

Jul 18, 2003, 10:03	#10
D-flyer SitePoint Guru Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Near a computer Posts: 780	Well the latest version 2 weeks http://www.parktowersuite.com It for a friend of mine No really

Jul 18, 2003, 10:29	#11
moospot Xbox why have you forsaken me? Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 3,615	Google takes time to update. I would give it a couple of more weeks. Other engines aren't as reliable as Google, so unless you pay to have your site included in their index, you may be waiting a while.

Jul 20, 2003, 03:02	#14
D-flyer SitePoint Guru Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Near a computer Posts: 780	Hi i read some more on the google forum and it seems that using iframes is a no-no for google. Sorry let me explain, i read that a good internal link structure is a must, that is cross linking internal pages. So my use of iframes is not the way to go. To optimize the website for google i think i must convert the pages with iframes into tables, but that's the one thing i wasn't happy with out of design opion. I like the box layout and the colored scroll bar for lenghty content. Btw i also read that google doesn't use meta-tags for page ranking as the other SE do. My questions: 1 How can i bypass the use of iframes and get a good internal link structure??? 2 Is it true that optimizing a website for a search engine (ie get a better SE ranking) in a busy sector, like the hotel, travel sector is much harder to accomplish? Thanks guys for the earlier suggestions

Jul 20, 2003, 12:44	#15
Optimum SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miramar Posts: 123	You can use the REPORTS section of WebPosition Gold 2. This will give you your position in all the major search engines for the keywords you specify. It also gives you more information that you may also find useful.

Jul 24, 2003, 14:55	#19
auchrins SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 87	Re: Google Monitor The Free Monitor for Google, formerly known as Google Monitor is what you are looking for. It IS VERY IMPORTANT in my opinion to know where you are even if you aren't on the first three pages. I monitor a few different sites very closely and on Google one can bounce anywhere from 2nd to 700th back to 5th in a matter of days. Even though google does a large update about once a month "the Google Dance" there is still variation on a daily basis. For instance the last Google Dance was on I believe the 15th of July. Yet for my most important search term I went form 10th to 3rd today. The reason it's important to know where you are even if you're not in the top three pages is because if you go from 700 to 600 to 500 ... 10th then you know something's going right. If the reverse is happening, you need to take a look at any changes you made, etc.

Jul 24, 2003, 15:39	#20
Ravedesigns Community Advisor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 2,899	Excellent links and some great tools here guys - thanks!! Steve __________________ ## Free Marketing Book With 101 Marketing Ideas ## and Advice to Help Grow Your Business Fast ## Get It Now at www.expertmarketingadvice.com!

Jul 24, 2003, 20:35	#23
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	Google does not allow automated queries on their website. You'll find that info by browsing Google.com __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

Jul 24, 2003, 22:30	#25
toograffic SitePoint Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 194	I think I read the same article, rezag. Wish I could remember where. __________________ The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison Retirement Communities and Senior Housing Options Freecycle.org

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