What computer r u using for web design/dev

incredibly inspiring post! I just finished reading your post and am now looking at my local yellow pages to find some shop that can build me a system. The only thing is that I would want a warranty, as that’s kinda of nice with dell. Even though dell might be not as good as the custom build, the do offer good warranty in case something breaks.

I love the idea with the storage drive! Even though I have a set up online that backups my server to a different location but for local files it would still be nice to have a very secure backup solution like the one you describe.

Glad to learn bout the HDD. I was always confused with the RAID stuff, and seems that I couldnt find a good and simple article online that just explains it like you did.

I am actually really excited about the thought of a custom system. this way I can get exactly what fits my needs. I just hope that the best buys of the world didnt drive every little computer store out of business by now and that I can find a good local person to help me.

I always wonder about how much performance increase a better/newer part actually gives you. I am glad you explained the difference between the cpu’s. It really comes down to knowing all these things, so that the best price/performance decision can be made. I just simply do not know enough!! Hence, its really much appreciated that you can spend thatt much time helping me on the forum.

back to the yellow pages, … hopefully there is a local shop around!

I will post back here with my findings!

Some of the custom shops will give you warranties on the systems they build for you, so even though you don’t go with some place like Dell, you still may be able to get a warranty. Also, the manufacturers of the various components will have warranties on those components.

this is is turning into a pretty interesting venture. I know i will open pandoras box now but I had an interesting conversation with one of the local computer shops. I told him my situation, told him I am in web design and dev and I am looking for a custom workstation. This then turned into a 30 minute phone conversation about him trying to convince me that Apple is the best way to go. One thing I did agree is that the screens do seem very nice. but I can even buy an apple screen and use on a pc, I think. anyways, it seems there are different people out there. the hardcore pc fans, that do the custom pc’s which undoubtedly will be cheaper and have more power than both a dell/hp or an apple. These will run on Win though. Then, there are the apple users/lovers. They belief in the apple system, and think that the OS is much better, easier, more intuitive etc. They love to try to convert pc users. I do have to admit that most people in the web dev and design industry probably are apple users.

this is becoming interesting! so now I have choices

  • dell
  • custom pc
  • apple

ANY computer store that tries to sell you an Apple isn’t worth talking to.

You need to find one of these guys.

Of course, if I called a mom and pop whitebox builder and they pulled that, the conversation would have ended with a string of expletives and a slammed down phone. If they even SELL Apple’s you probably don’t want to talk to them… You basically called in for a thousand dollar machine with some redundancy like RAID because it’s a work box (when even a $500 cheapo bargain machine meets your needs for the task at hand), and they tried to pimp you into a $2000 machine with half the specs of a real whitebox.

Just look at the crappy all-in-one i3 21.5" Imac – $1200 retail for a $600 computer with a built in $300 display… built on notebook parts so it’s slow as molasses.

Bah, just another of the things I can’t believe ANYONE is DUMB ENOUGH to throw money away on.

home: MacBook Pro (7 years old) – OS X Tiger
work: Some HP Laptop w/ docking station and dual-monitor set-up

Its just web development, your not running Maya here. Most computers will do the job.

One thing I did agree is that the screens do seem very nice. but I can even buy an apple screen and use on a pc, I think.

A friend of mine got I think it’s a Mac Mini, and hooked up his VGA LG 19" monitor to it. It works fine (though he needed to buy a “special” 25-euro connector which of course only Apple makes in order to hook it up, bah). But, checking sites out with his copy of Safari, I noticed that Safari’s colour correction was as bad as Firefox was on Linux. Apparently the PNG “correction” assumes a Mac brand monitor (or, the same calibration settings as a Mac monitor). I can see where PNGs end and CSS background colour begins, even after stripping the RGBA header in my images (so, no colour profile and nothing that should even smell like one in my images).

I don’t know that the other way around is worth it, unless the monitor has some sort of ginormous über pixel density and your graphics are also going to print. If it’s just web dev, any regular monitor should do fine, so long as it’s wide enough to test against other users with ginormous screens. : )

I work on a laptop. Acer TravelMate 7720 with 17" screen with Intel Core Duo processor… because

  • I wanted a “real” OS with a terminal. If you are working by connecting remotely to a server like I am, you want a terminal. You get real tools that computers need like SSH, FTP, and SCP (the idea of purchasing these tools or even downloading them because your machine doesn’t come with them goes against my whole notion of “computer”). It also comes with a screen reader without a virtual buffer (Orca). Apache is a breeze to install, don’t need to “undo” or “turn off” IIS. Bah.
    You can get a terminal if you get a Mac, if you crawl far enough under the eye candy (#edit apparently now it’s no longer necessary to crawl around, there’s now some direct option in a menu somewhere), because OSX+ is running on a POSIX-compliant imitation of UNIX called Darwin.
  • I needed enough memory to run a couple of Windowses. I have two Virtual Boxes (pay version so I can use USB and sound), both running XP (one has IE6, Safari-for-Windows 4, JAWS 10 and NVDA; the other has IE7, Tredosoft IE5, 5.5 and 6, K-Meleon for FF2 testing, Safari-for-Windows 3, and about 5 different versions of Opera).
  • I wanted a monitor wide enough for decent wide-screen testing. I found I still need to check stuff on my colleague’s 22" screen though.
  • I needed it portable enough to bring it to work and home and back.

There is a desktop here with IE8, Flash (somewhere, haven’t touched it in years), and whatever unsafe stuff I want to install I put there… it has no connection to the real work machine.

Like Crusty, I work both locally and with a server, so I generally have a copy of files both here on the desktop and there on the server in Rotterdam. I also have a 250GB box where I make backups of my whole /home folder (plus /user/share/fonts and /etc/apache2 since I don’t want to go download those all over again). I don’t back up as much as I should, of course. Only those who have lost data do, right?

Someday, when I’m rich, I would like to get at least a used Mac because I would like to test in
Safari-Mac
Firefox-Mac
VoiceOver
Fonts in general

but I’m not paying through the nose to test two free browsers and a screen reader.
I’m assuming the above would be “reasons to get a Mac” though somewhere you’ll need Windows (parallels?) because you can’t do (decent) web dev without testing stuff in IE. The emulators are NOT the real thing, esp not for testing stuff like Flash, Javascript, etc. However, I find it very valuable to test in more than one OS. You see differences you won’t if you only test on one OS, and yes, they matter.

I don’t know how accurate this is, but this image explains the high cost of Apple products for seemingly little reason (other than the name).
http://thenextweb.com/apple/files/2010/09/mac01.jpg

Sounds like buying new jeans with holes in them for a hundred euros because it says a name on it somewhere. But, there is a reason Macs are popular with the graphics and print crowd.

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I forgot to mention, DELL monitors radiate a hell of a lot of heat. I suggest you get something cooler. But the base units for DELLs are quite good.

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Sounds like buying new jeans with holes in them for a hundred euros because it says a name on it somewhere. But, there is a reason Macs are popular with the graphics and print crowd.

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I feel the main reasons Mac became popular with the graphics/print crowd were because of their introduction. At the time PC were terrible and were a real problem for companies productivity. I am talking back in the time of Windows 95 and 98 and even XP. Macs were a far stabler machine, in that their crash rate was far less.

Now I have Windows x64 and I can confirm that my dad’s Macintosh crashes far more than my computer and I have the luxury of running most things my dads can’t. If you have Windows 7, then the crash rate is probably even less than my computer. So ye, Windows 7 x64 is were I should be in maybe a years time.

Everybody says how good Macs are, but for our field their quite unsuitable. I really have to know I can download and run any piece of software without hindrance, and Macs simply can’t do this for me.

I actually thought it was because of the Quark software, and because of the 72dpi which made translating to print easier.

I called up a friend yesterday. He works for a small web design studio up north. He was a pc guy all his life and was an apple sceptic (so he said). He made the switch to apple about 6 months ago for web design, dev, applications (ipad, iphone). So, naturally I was very interested in what he had to say abou the switch. He said that everything is much easier and faster on the mac as far as web design goes. The tools are better and he is more productive. 3 steps on the pc is 1 step on the mac. Again, that’s just for web design and dev and that is just one persons opinion. I am going to talk to a few other people today. I know one guy I work with in Florida has a similar story. Used to be PC, but not is apple for web, print etc. I think the only ‘real’ way to find out is to try it :slight_smile:

so, since you work with both systems. which do you prefer? and why? pros/cons?

You have to go to an Apple store (or a friend) and try it out yourself. Second-hand opinions won’t help you in any way. You have to work with them.

Mac Pros (desktops) are among the most powerful machines you can get. Anything else is pretty much anti-Apple talk for the sake of it, just like anti-Microsoft/anti-PC babbling. Both platforms are GREAT! Get what you feel is the best tool for YOU, period, and I’d recommend filtering out all the hate and extreme bias talk.

I’ve spent a decade on PC systems exclusively and about 3 years on Mac systems. The differences aren’t as big as some people on here are making them out to be. The quality of apps for the Mac are extremely high for what you’re looking to do. You’re not missing out on ANYTHING in that regard when going for a Mac instead.

It is true that the Mac pretty much has the easiest OS around, but that neither implies that it is an inferior OS, nor does it mean it’s made for stupid people. And while the older Win versions (<= XP) have a distinct architecture, there isn’t even much of a difference with Win7 (and Vista) anymore because Microsoft has copied plenty of the mechanisms of Apple’s operating system, narrowing the gap between those two quite a bit. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is besides the point. You need to try it yourself before you can decide which of these OSes work better for you.

As for your sales person who wanted to sell you a Mac claiming their screens are better… that is total nonsense. Get a screen with IPS technology - I have stated that in my very first response on the first page here - and you’re set. You can get a quality IPS screen for much less than Apple’s current Cinema Displays. Besides, the new line of displays are glossy. A HUGE issue and not everyone, including myself, is willing to work on a glossy screen. Matte is a lot better and you can find tons of great monitors from other manufacturers that sell quality IPS monitors for a smaller price, though be prepared to still pay a large chunk of money (+800 USD) for a 24" and above. Do a search on “IPS monitors” and you’ll get tons of recommendations. Another reason why I’d not buy a Cinema Display now is that it does not have any of the inputs a modern display should have, so if you intend on connecting an ACD to something other than your computer, you’ll be sorely disappointed.

Yes, I do have the alu Apple Cinema Display myself, but I do not have a gaming console or the need to connect other devices to the screen. If I had to buy a new monitor today, I’d opt for a NEC or EIZO screen.

For the computer itself a custom built solution would likely be your best option. That is the most cost-effective path you can take and you get exactly what you want.

As for the professional Apple line, a Mac Pro would cost you at least 2.5k, and that’s for the cheapest models. They’re still tons better than some 2-in-1 iMac or the Macpro laptop, but priced too high. The real powerhouses start at 3k. You won’t get quality below that. And while I’d argue that a Mac Pro is pretty much the best system you can get (only a custom built one could live up to it), its biggest weakness is, indeed, the cost. The costs are insane, and if you conclude that therefore the choice is insane, then that is a sound argument. The biggest argument, however, is that you probably don’t need that much power anyway if you don’t do heavy-duty tasks.

Choose the system that works for you. It doesn’t have to be Apple, Dell, or any other pre-built product, though it can be. Nothing wrong with that either.

Dell Studio 15 Laptop
Intel Core i7
6GB RAM
500GB HD

I have it hooked up to an external monitor, so use this external monitor and the laptop screen as a dual monitor.

Don’t use a desktop… no need for one. It’s a powerful laptop, similar to a desktop, and it usually stays on the desk anyway. If I want to move it around (work in the garden, do a presentation, hook it up to a TV, etc.), I can do that.

I think it all depends on your budget and the amount you’re willing to spend. Whenever I went to buy a Mac I simply could not make myself give them the money, it’s that simple.

With the same money you can buy a decent PC, with good build quality. Macs are still very good, but they have certainly shifted markets in the past couple of years. From the tool of elite designers, to a computer for people who know little about computers. Truth be told I know many computer novices who use a Mac simply because it’s easier to use.

In either case a PC if configured with the right software and hardware can perform similar to a Mac. For rendering, video, audio etc. a Mac is better hands down. For web, I think maybe a PC is what you need. There are more downloads available for PCs, and the computers are now fairly stable.

Fixed. ESPECIALLY if talking…

Also fixed.

Take the bottom of the current Mac Pro line – Xeon so you’re stuck with a server caching model on a desktop OS, that’s going to be SO suited to desktop application use. Quad core 2.8 nehalem which pretty much means it’s the Xeon version of the i7 930. Two and a half grand for a i7 930 with only 3 gigs of RAM, a crappy little 1tb hard drive, a radeon 5770 and they don’t even have the decency to toss on a monitor with that? That’s a $1300 system from Dell and you could white-box build the same thing for under a grand.

Actually, correction… You’d be hard pressed to put so little RAM in a new system these days. Of course when they charge $225 to go from $60 worth of RAM to $100 worth of RAM, let’s just say their pricing is a bit less than impressive. The term highway robbery comes to mind… Much less that being the form factor over function artsy fartsy internals there is no way in hell EITHER the 5770 OR that Xeon CPU are receiving proper cooling (welcome to the system having the parking brake on 24/7 from thermal throttling)…

In pre-builts what they want for the base model mac Pro you could have something like a Acer Predator. In whiteboxes what they want for the top end model you could build three more competent machines.

Mind you, I’m prejudiced, I worked for three years as an Apple service tech in the g3/g4 days, so I’m actually familiar with the internals. From the intentionally neutered PCMCIA slots that only work with lucent wireless cards (unless you restore the power slots) to the use of parity RAM not for parity checking but with bits intentionally disabled so you HAD to buy RAM from them (early G3’s), to the switching the master select and unused pin next to it on IDE cables so normal optical drives didn’t work (unless you shorted those two pins together), to underclocking 600mhz processors to 233 so they could run them without heat sinks inside insulating foam until they burned a hole clear through the dialup adapters (G3 Toilet Seat iBooks)… to cheaping out on ribbon cables inside displays resulting in the ‘striping’ phenomenon, to having to run everything through a canadian testing lab constantly threatened with losing it’s license for OSHA certification since there’s no way in hell any other lab would pass their products… You know, things that UL WOULD catch like the toxic fumes from the G5 Mac Pro’s case paint or use of liquid caps that catastrophically fail on the power adapters.

Oh yeah, great company to deal with.

Apple has been the computer company for people who know nothing about computers ever since the Mac came along. That’s not a good thing.

@ds

:slight_smile: yep. If you were to buy with the same money it would be a monster of a computer like my desktops. It all depends, because I know computers well, I also know that if I were to actually buy a Mac I would be overspending, as I could do my job without the enormous price tag.

I like my Dell Precisions, I think their excellent value for money, and their very stable and hard wearing. I am not a great fan of the Dell monitors though, go for something less heated. I live in a country were we are blessed with 320 sunny days a year, so it’s not ideal.

For 3D environment though, and rendering etc. Macs are still the best. I really can’t dispute this. Your best bet on a windows platform is to have 64 bit, and shed lots of RAM. Macs do run smoother in such environments, however, this was before the Intel chips. I am not sure if the Intel chips changed the dynamics of how a Mac performs. I always thought it depended on the OS.

I just got the Alienware M11x, and it runs really well. I was contemplating them Apple iPad, but when I saw everything was geared around iTunes and marketing more stuff for me to buy I said I rather not, I like to know I have a USB drive. Now I have pretty much all the ports available, including an SD-card and a sim-slot. I am sure the m11x would more than compete with the iPad.

Below is my PCs’ configuration which I use for graphic design and web developing.
Use: Intel Core to duo Processor
RAM: 3GB
HDD: 500 GB
Graphics card. 512mb
Screen: Plasma
I am thinking of selling my desktop PC and buying a laptop like Apple Macbook.

Guys, the Apple/PC debate is a never-ending one that has its proponents on both sides. If you take a side in here, please remember to respect the other side’s position. You don’t have to agree, but you do have to respect the other position and refrain from insults and general attacks. No more warnings, just infractions from now on.

Web Development in and of itself is simply a PC that can run a text editor. If you have an editor of choice, just make sure you meet the specs.

Design can entail more powerful requirements; you say you use PS. I use PSCS5X and though I have an i7 920 2.67Ghz Quad w/ 12GB DDR3 and a BFG GTX 285 OC, that’s still overkill for Photoshop.

I would say that a decent dual core, 4GB if on 32-bit OS, 6GB if on 64-bit, and a mediocre graphics card will do you right.

Funny thing is, I’m still sitting on a iMac G5 with 512MB of RAM. Gets the job done and then some with PS, few browsers, and editing pads up.

I hear ya, Sam. I’m running a P4 2.4GHz PC with 504MB of RAM and WinXP. Ancient by many people’s standards. This one at least will run PS, Opera, and Notepad++ simultaneously without overloading, unlike the last one I used. Anyone who wants to laugh at Sam’s or my machines, please temper your scorn with contributions to the “Buy Us a New Computer” fund. :slight_smile: