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5urlcom · Jul 8, 2003, 11:37

Google has changed their ranking algorithms today - there seems to be an enormous difference in SERP results from yesterday
[img]images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif[/img]It is not the monthly Update because the results are the same on all nine DataCenters

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It seems that keywords in Backwards links to websites are the strongest algorithm factored into SERPs results - TITLE tag-keywords is significantly secondary.

Fourth Doctor · Jul 8, 2003, 11:54

Agree with you there.

PR seems to be nowhere as a factor unless the PR values they are using have not yet filtered down into the toolbar values.

aspen · Jul 8, 2003, 13:05

Sergey Brin had eggs with ham for breakfast.

When you make idle speculation you should denote it as such. Rankings can fluctuate daily, and they have done so since Google launched. A one day change in rankings is neither anything new, nor anything to worry about.

So many amateurs make erroneous speculations during a Google dance, something changes and all of a sudden Google is wrong, stupid, incorrect. Your site is banned, my site is banned, oh no! PR is worthless, PR is everything, links matter, links don't matter. Domains are more important now....

Eventually they shut up, but I never thought I'd start seeing the same things happen between updates.

You know what? All of my top listings are still top, and they're almost entirely dependent on PR. Google change their algorithm? I think not.

What actually happens can be one of a few things.

1. A site is penalized for spamming, it moves down and if you were below it you move up.

2. Fresh content is picked up and is temporarily listed higher than you, moving you down, when the fresh content is removed you move back up.

3. Some other temporary thing that has nothing to do with algorithm changes.

Fourth Doctor · Jul 8, 2003, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspen

1. A site is penalized for spamming, it moves down and if you were below it you move up.

2. Fresh content is picked up and is temporarily listed higher than you, moving you down, when the fresh content is removed you move back up.

3. Some other temporary thing that has nothing to do with algorithm changes.

There was a definite change yesterday. In respect of my own site which had been jumping around all over the place, one day 3rd or 4th, another day not in top 100. I am now 1st for the phrase in question. The site that was 1st previously is now second. On my toolbar I am a 2, the other site is a 5. The phrase perfectly describes both sites in two words.

1 and 2 of your points do not apply at all, no penalties, no fresh tags, neither page changes at all generally.
Point 3 I don't know what to make of, a change is a change.

aspen · Jul 8, 2003, 14:06

It doesn't necessarily need fresh tags.

Did you or any site listed near you change it's content? Did Google crawl that site?

Claiming that there has been a major algorithm change on the basis of nothing other than a small chang in rankinge on a few keywords when such things happen daily is just completely off the wall.

skanxalot · Jul 8, 2003, 14:07

Agree here too, I was 45th for "Wyldewood" a couple of days ago, now I'm 2nd (where I belong!!). This is good!

Dan Grossman · Jul 8, 2003, 17:58

I don't know where I am. I don't know how people find me. I bought AdWords. Now I know.

Can someone recommend a good tracking service for me? One of my web hosts has decided to no longer provide a good log analyzer. They want $10 to upgrade me to urchin pro just to get referrer info. So I'm using a crappy free counter to get the last 20 referrers since I'm at this computer so much.

ambermoon · Jul 10, 2003, 17:26

Get Urchin, it rocks !
well worth the $10

Dan Grossman · Jul 13, 2003, 00:55

You better be right! Just paid my host $10 to upgrade to Urchin Pro

Chances are I'll only be with this host for two more months or so until the hosting expires but I need the stats now dangit.

ambermoon · Jul 13, 2003, 16:00

Dan, I'll host your site if you want

Dan Grossman · Jul 13, 2003, 16:18

I was thinking of moving it to HostRocket where I have another site when the account with Your-Site.com expires. Every few weeks they have their 1gb space / 50gb bandwidth for $9.95/month special, and regularly it's like 37GB and 750MB both plenty compared to the 50mb/6gb hosting the site's on now.

ambermoon · Jul 14, 2003, 01:14

there is no urchin pro, just urchin

Dan Grossman · Jul 14, 2003, 10:18

There is too Urchin Pro 3.x

5urlcom · Sep 10, 2003, 15:49

Looks like Google will now permanantly forgo the traditional dance...
there may be more minor dances every several weeks - with occassional
relevancy algoritmic changes...

There has been a distinct pattern in the last few months of this happenning

I, Brian · Sep 11, 2003, 03:39

Has Google actually changed its algo?

At least, to any significant degree?

scottyparks · Sep 11, 2003, 04:46

From what I have read, they have been experimenting with 6 different algos recently.

aspen · Sep 11, 2003, 06:10

all 6 must rank my sites exactly the same.

fatnewt · Sep 11, 2003, 06:52

Doesn't seem like any significant change in the PR algorithm... just in the frequency of crawling.

Those 'relevancy changes' could just be from new data.

Crowe · Sep 11, 2003, 08:27

Here is a quote from an article on Sitepoint that may help with this issue.

Quote:

Sullivan asked Brin to elaborate on the work that goes into the constant development of the famed Google PageRank. Brin explained that it was still very much an important part of Google’s ranking system and that more than half a dozen new ranking technologies are tested each month, with roughly half of these being integrated into Google’s PageRank algorithm.

From Inside Search Engine Strategies, 2003 By Andy Beal .

Maybe that explains it?

burkul · Sep 12, 2003, 01:47

I don't think that Google'd quit integrating PR into Google ranking algo.

fatnewt · Sep 12, 2003, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by burkul

I don't think that Google'd quit integrating PR into Google ranking algo.

They're not going to. They're just improving the way PR is calculated and measured opposite relevancy.

aspen · Sep 12, 2003, 07:57

I'd be willing to bet that the far majority of algorithm changes are tweaks to anti-spam filters.

Traduim · Sep 15, 2003, 08:20

I think Google changes it's algorithm more often than we think, but as it has been said, there are no big changes.

aaaa · Oct 18, 2003, 10:29

The Google dance has started today
there are differences on the major datacenters

aspen · Oct 18, 2003, 11:04

I'm seeing no changes. What datacenters are you looking at?

Jul 8, 2003, 11:37	#1
5urlcom SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 165	Google modifies Ranking Algorithms Today Google has changed their ranking algorithms today - there seems to be an enormous difference in SERP results from yesterday [img]images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif[/img]It is not the monthly Update because the results are the same on all nine DataCenters ============================================= It seems that keywords in Backwards links to websites are the strongest algorithm factored into SERPs results - TITLE tag-keywords is significantly secondary. __________________ http://search-engines-web.com/ ******* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *** Last edited by 5urlcom; Jul 8, 2003 at 11:48..

Jul 8, 2003, 13:05	#3
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	Sergey Brin had eggs with ham for breakfast. When you make idle speculation you should denote it as such. Rankings can fluctuate daily, and they have done so since Google launched. A one day change in rankings is neither anything new, nor anything to worry about. So many amateurs make erroneous speculations during a Google dance, something changes and all of a sudden Google is wrong, stupid, incorrect. Your site is banned, my site is banned, oh no! PR is worthless, PR is everything, links matter, links don't matter. Domains are more important now.... Eventually they shut up, but I never thought I'd start seeing the same things happen between updates. You know what? All of my top listings are still top, and they're almost entirely dependent on PR. Google change their algorithm? I think not. What actually happens can be one of a few things. 1. A site is penalized for spamming, it moves down and if you were below it you move up. 2. Fresh content is picked up and is temporarily listed higher than you, moving you down, when the fresh content is removed you move back up. 3. Some other temporary thing that has nothing to do with algorithm changes. __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

Jul 8, 2003, 14:06	#5
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	It doesn't necessarily need fresh tags. Did you or any site listed near you change it's content? Did Google crawl that site? Claiming that there has been a major algorithm change on the basis of nothing other than a small chang in rankinge on a few keywords when such things happen daily is just completely off the wall. __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

Jul 8, 2003, 14:07	#6
skanxalot SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 168	Agree here too, I was 45th for "Wyldewood" a couple of days ago, now I'm 2nd (where I belong!!). This is good! __________________ Tyson Kirksey Kirksey Solutions Edited Movies Buzz-Cut.net

Jul 8, 2003, 17:58	#7
Dan Grossman Follow Me On Twitter: @djg Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Philadephia, PA Posts: 20,206	I don't know where I am. I don't know how people find me. I bought AdWords. Now I know. Can someone recommend a good tracking service for me? One of my web hosts has decided to no longer provide a good log analyzer. They want $10 to upgrade me to urchin pro just to get referrer info. So I'm using a crappy free counter to get the last 20 referrers since I'm at this computer so much. __________________ Check out my blog • W3ROI • W3Counter • VisitorBoost

Jul 8, 2003, 11:54	#2
Fourth Doctor SitePoint Evangelist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surabaya Posts: 437	Agree with you there. PR seems to be nowhere as a factor unless the PR values they are using have not yet filtered down into the toolbar values.

Jul 10, 2003, 17:26	#8
ambermoon SitePoint Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fremantle WA Posts: 11	Get Urchin, it rocks ! well worth the $10

Jul 13, 2003, 00:55	#9
Dan Grossman Follow Me On Twitter: @djg Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Philadephia, PA Posts: 20,206	You better be right! Just paid my host $10 to upgrade to Urchin Pro Chances are I'll only be with this host for two more months or so until the hosting expires but I need the stats now dangit. __________________ Check out my blog • W3ROI • W3Counter • VisitorBoost

Jul 13, 2003, 16:00	#10
ambermoon SitePoint Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fremantle WA Posts: 11	Dan, I'll host your site if you want

Jul 13, 2003, 16:18	#11
Dan Grossman Follow Me On Twitter: @djg Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Philadephia, PA Posts: 20,206	I was thinking of moving it to HostRocket where I have another site when the account with Your-Site.com expires. Every few weeks they have their 1gb space / 50gb bandwidth for $9.95/month special, and regularly it's like 37GB and 750MB both plenty compared to the 50mb/6gb hosting the site's on now. __________________ Check out my blog • W3ROI • W3Counter • VisitorBoost

Jul 14, 2003, 01:14	#12
ambermoon SitePoint Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fremantle WA Posts: 11	there is no urchin pro, just urchin

Jul 14, 2003, 10:18	#13
Dan Grossman Follow Me On Twitter: @djg Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Philadephia, PA Posts: 20,206	There is too Urchin Pro 3.x __________________ Check out my blog • W3ROI • W3Counter • VisitorBoost

Sep 10, 2003, 15:49	#14
5urlcom SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 165	Looks like Google will now permanantly forgo the traditional dance... there may be more minor dances every several weeks - with occassional relevancy algoritmic changes... There has been a distinct pattern in the last few months of this happenning __________________ http://search-engines-web.com/ ******* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ***

Sep 11, 2003, 03:39	#15
I, Brian SEO Link Building Master Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,285	Has Google actually changed its algo? At least, to any significant degree? __________________ Internet Business Forums - free business help & advice

Sep 11, 2003, 04:46	#16
scottyparks SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 32	From what I have read, they have been experimenting with 6 different algos recently.

Sep 11, 2003, 06:10	#17
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	all 6 must rank my sites exactly the same. __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

Sep 11, 2003, 06:52	#18
fatnewt I am obstructing justice. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,768	Doesn't seem like any significant change in the PR algorithm... just in the frequency of crawling. Those 'relevancy changes' could just be from new data. __________________ Colin Temple [twitter: @cailean] Sites: RPGs : Mythology : Philosophy Blogs: Xbox Live : Roleplay

Sep 12, 2003, 01:47	#20
burkul The Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Istanbul Posts: 744	I don't think that Google'd quit integrating PR into Google ranking algo. __________________ Flash Games

Sep 12, 2003, 07:57	#22
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	I'd be willing to bet that the far majority of algorithm changes are tweaks to anti-spam filters. __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

Sep 15, 2003, 08:20	#23
Traduim SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Catalonia Posts: 65	I think Google changes it's algorithm more often than we think, but as it has been said, there are no big changes. __________________ Josep Tarrés, traducción traductor

Oct 18, 2003, 10:29	#24
aaaa SitePoint Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 10	The Google dance has started today there are differences on the major datacenters

Oct 18, 2003, 11:04	#25
aspen Serial Publisher Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: East Lansing, MI USA Posts: 12,955	I'm seeing no changes. What datacenters are you looking at? __________________ Chris Beasley - I publish content and ecommerce sites. Featured Article: Free Comprehensive SEO Guide My Guide to Building a Successful Website My Blog\|My Webmaster Forums

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