To love Opera, or not to love Opera

I’m on the “to love Opera” side. It’s the Opera 12 users threatening to forget about Opera in a less than polite manner. I have no issues leaving Opera 12 behind, I use Opera 24 as my current browser and I love it :sunny:

I am not threatening to forget about Opera. Opera 12 is the only current browser that has the functionality I use all the time. I will continue using it until the functionality I need is added to another browser. If that functionality gets added to Opera 27 or 28 or whatever (which is more likely than it getting added to a non-Opera browser) then I will switch to that Specifically I am waiting for the reintroduction of the REWIND button…

I haven’t seen anyone threatening to leave Opera in this thread at all (just claims that the new version isn’t yet worthy of the name Opera because it can’t do all of what all Opera users have come to expect it to do)…

Opera themselves say that about half of their users have upgraded and the other half are still using 12. There is no suggestion of anyone actually abandoning Opera, just sticking with 12 until the person sees the functionality they want added into the new version. I would expect to see Opera 12 around for quite a few years yet unless Opera suddenly add all of the missing functionality into the new Opera. It is only going to be a problem if Opera tries to force people to upgrade before adding back the missing functionality.

Here are quotes from your posts:

where you clearly state that new Opera is not even an option for you. Which is what pretty much every bitter Opera old fan is overstating these days. I, for one, am trying to give new Opera a chance. But the bitter old users simply adopted a wrong dialog style when Opera started over, even though it was explained to them, over and over, Presto took 10+ years in the making, and the features they like took from Opera 7 until Opera 12. But no, “we want this and WE WANT IT NOW”. What’s expected of them is simply to enjoy new Opera with its standards and rendering improvements, with its Aura improvements, with its address bar search improvements, with its UI improvements, and thus support Opera browser and the Opera team I’m sure will then find resources to make things the way everyone likes it.

And if you bother to take a look at the release notes, you’ll see that the rapid number succession is due to the latest Chromium/Blink release schedule. And yes, they had always had beta releases, called Opera Next, now being called beta releases again. Nonetheless, every release adds improvements and missing features. And think about this, what if Opera 8 users chose to turn against Opera and had caused such a war over the incompleteness of the browser? It’s not hard to imagine that with enough discontent users, Opera 12 would’ve only be a figment of imagination. So, start using new Opera, it’s a snappy fast secure and capable browser. Reward will come with supporting. “I WANT THIS NOW” may work only if you have enough money to throw at it, which is clearly not the case here, you get Opera for free. And the reality of all says that even with enough money, there are no guarantees to “GET IT NOW” for anything at all.

Okay, the discussion has come back full circle to feeling personal again, so since we couldn’t keep it on the right track, this thread is officially closed. Plus we seem to be going in circles and having the same discussion over and over again. It seems this discussion has run its course.

This topic is now opened per request. New replies are allowed.

Yeah, just found out about that—a new browser by some people associated with Opera who wanted to get back to the old days? Can’t quite tell, as the site is a bit vague. But they are taking suggestions for extra features, so if any of the old Opera ones that you love aren’t in there, just suggest them. I see Speed Dial is in there.

Good news indeed.

The rewind button doesn’t work yet but at least it is there and so presumably will be fully functional by the time the browser gets to version one.

Looks like I spoke too soon - while labelled as a rewind button it is actually just a back button for when you use fast forward. As they are using the rewind button for something completely different than what opera uses it for it will be completely useless.

Why can’t someone add that extremely useful button - rewind - into other browsers so that the choice of browsers to use is something other than Opera 12, Opera 11, Opera 10…

One of the FastMail devs gave a talk on JMAP and I asked him if FastMail was the company vivaldi was talking to about implementing mail… and he could only say “there have been mails” [to the CEO]. While I never was one for mail in the browser (I like mutt), many of my Opera-using friends were.

(btw if anyone wants to help FM not be the sole company/group/people writing a new protocol for mail (the protocol to end all protocols by being compatible with all the other crappy proprietary mail protocols, plus needed fixes to IMAP), jump in or send that link to hacker friends who know Perl and stuff about protocols. The link there has both code and a proxy.)

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