SOPA Anyone?

Anyone taking part in the blackout tomorrow? My website is and many others I design for are. I found codes that automatically black out your site with a message for certain times of the day tomorrow.

Or do you agree with SOPA. If so why?

SOPA is just another in a long series of absolutely atrocious legislation offered up by the US lawmakers. It will pass with a comfortable majority is my guess, after all the same guys passed laws making presidential assassination without due process legal, what’s a little internet censorship to them?

Please keep the discussion on topic (that is: SOPA).
Political statements are against the forum rules and will be moderated, and ultimately the thread might be closed.

Dude, I’ll battle with you discuss this with you any time, but SP is a Web design forum. I’ve written about the horrific mess that SOPA/PIPA is, and I agree with you 100% that it poses a terrible danger to the Internet as it currently functions as well as the livelihoods of those of us who make part or all of our living from the Net and its related functions. Let’s stick to talking about how bad (or good, if someone prefers) the legislation is as it pertains to how the Net functions, how it impacts Web designers/developers, etc. and save the rest for the Daily Kos or RedState or wherever.

There’s an industry that works perfectly fine unregulated (the main reason why it works so well being the freedom), along comes the government pressured by lobbyists and monopolizes/destroys the industry. That’s happened in every industry before, and frankly, if not now, it will happen to the Internet soon enough as well, sadly.

Even if the proposal is changed to make everyone agree to some compromise eventually, it still gets the foot in the door and makes the establishment of regulations in the future so much easier. And the worse part is that once they do that and screw things up, people will start demanding more regulations themselves that would supposedly fix the mess - it’s a lobbyist’s and politician’s heaven at that point. Look at any regulated industry to see the future of the Internet. It’s just wrong on so many levels.

I predict in a couple of decades we’ll be paying a hefty license fee just to create a new website, and even more on lawyers to protect ourselves from big competitors.

I fear we have not seen the end of this SOPA Opera in Congress!

It looks like a lot of People who were supporting it changed their minds due to the blackout. Hopefully there will be more.

Has anyone been paying attention to what has happened to the founders of Megaupload? The U.S. government had them arrested and extradited and they are currently sitting in jail. The U.S. government confiscated the domain. And this is without SOPA. Can you imagine what the U.S. government would try to do if SOPA became law in its original form?

And if Megaupload’s founders are in jail awaiting criminal charges for “facilitating copyright infringement”, then why aren’t the executives of Google, which owns Youtube, charged with the same thing?

Every time the Walt Disney Company’s copyrights near expiration, they just go to their buddies in Congress and get the copyright law extended. Bascially, if something is released today it will not become part of the public domain during any of our lifetimes. And probably not ever.

I would like to see a boycott of the American entertainment industry. A boycott of Hollywood and the recording industry.

I don’t think that’s what happened is it? Kim Dotcom has been living here for years and our government just arrested him.

stop watching movies, stop listening to music


my work here is done :cool:

People should stop buying music and movies. Still listen to the stuff you got though.

Four of the company’s staff, including its founders, were arrested in New Zealand and US authorities want to extradite the men to face prosecution for online piracy.

Think about what would happen if every website owner was arrested and prosecuted every time a crime was “facilitated” using their website. The founders of Craigslist would be in prison for life. The Facebook people would be in prison. Online dating site owners would be in prison. It’s absurd.

This is akin to prosecuting the manufacturer of the bullet every time someone is murdered.

Exactly. And many people used Megaupload for legitimate purposes that do not involve copyright infringement. There is one guy complaining on Twitter that he uploaded files and can no longer get access to them.

I do not think the United States government has ever been so heavy-handed in “policing” the internet as it is now. This is crazy and this is without SOPA!

Developers of open-source Linux and Homebrew software said they used it to upload projects they were working on together. Musicians, as well, said they stored songs for collaborative projects there. One user said she used it for sharing large zip files of photographs that were too unwieldy to send via e-mail.

“Megaupload was closed by the FBI … was I the only ones who had it for work files?” Twitter user Nina Andrade wrote. “Just get me my files back!!!”

There should be outrate over this action by the United States government. A class action lawsuit should be filed against the government by those using Megaupload to host legitimate files.

The whole situation it is quite upsetting. True, industries have the right to protect their business but this is going a bit too far. Maybe the options shouldn’t be punishment but education and alternative forms of doing business. I still feel that they resist to change with the technology and want to control everything.

everyone wants to maximize their profits at any cost. It seems that nobody understands, thats the only way to maximize profits is to cooperate. On the other hand, we don’t have legislative basis, internet based problems are very new to laws systems we have. So everyone can easily proove his own “truth”" …

This is a big problem for new web developers who may not be aware of the laws on copyright material. There’s no ‘website developer’ license, and as such there should be no regulations that we aren’t bought up with to know in our own countries. If I was bought up in a country where media was not subject to copyright, and as such wasn’t aware that the video/music I had wasn’t subject to my own country’s rules, it isn’t right for me to be arrested by an external country.

Off Topic:

The internet is not owned by any one country. Any one country that tries to place restrictions on the world will receive a s***storm and their precious corporate funding will be worthless. Maybe they should start reading some Game Theory or even just basic statistics and realise that ruling for personal and corporate benefit is, whilst beneficial in the short term, a huge cause of economic downturn, depression and higher crime rates in the long term. Sigh.

Instead maybe they would consider stopping broadcasting of American media outside of the US, so other countries couldn’t get their hands on it in the first place without (a) a US citizen giving it to them (who would therefore be the ones to be punished) or (b) going to america and getting the material, hence being on american soil and being punishable.

That sounds very 20th century, but that’s the way anything involving extending control goes - backwards.

Well, if the reason for closing MegaUpload is their new service MegaBox ( then you can explain the whole thing. It is better to get your competitors out of business before they do compete against you :smiley:

Don’t know that I’d say that was particularly OT, it’s worth noting that certain interests have more say than others though and in particular the US’s ability to pressure ICANN provides a lot of leverage to get away with stuff like unilateral policing of internet presence. This and the many recent acts like it are just physical representations of that ability, well that in combination with their ability to pressure other nations to do things so blatantly outside of their own self interest (copyright enforcement disproportionately favors the US as the majority holder of non-physical IP).

The real problem here is a combination of an absence of forcing presence in policy making and the minds of policy makers in both getting these countries to prioritize local internet freedom(read as right to develop without prosecution, not lawlessness) for their constituents and treatment of their citizens right to furthering new media. If you can make these actually relevant through imposing an actual presence on the officials it’ll have more of an impact than a boycott can. That’s what the SOPA strike did.

Megaupload, while interesting in the fact that it’s only possible because of the old SOPA, isn’t really a part of that discussion in the sense that they aren’t being prosecuted for facilitating a new environment for sharing(which they did do) they’re being prosecuted for supposedly encouraging criminal acts in addition to that. The biggest problem with what happened with Megaupload is things like NET the fact that it’s now a criminal offense instead of simply a civil one. SOPA and PIPA are just the most recent example of that, the bigger problem is that the people involved in the bills don’t actually get enough feedback from the tech sector to make informed decisions about the size of the issue or who it’s effecting outside of the large strict IP interests because internet outrage doesn’t translate well to people that are generationally unaware of the larger part of the internet/international web community.

You need to protest against SOPA on the streets … not on the internet … In europe we have ACTA probleme wich is also offered up by the US …In 4countries so far the law was blacked out becouse people gathered in large number on the streets …

I oppose Sopa.It threatens our fundamental rights.It’s very bad.