margins in valid browsers act different than all the IE’s, while borders and paddings word differently in old IE (broken box model)
is there nothing that works identically in all browsers!!! (without tricks i mean)
i know of couple tricks to remove margin collapse, one is to add a padding-top:1px to the container,
but this messes up old IE if the height is set…
what are the other tricks?
in my opinion margin-collapse should be limited only on <p>, <h1>, <h2> etc
or at least never to occur on <div> to give designers a alternative to work with.
too bad there is no css to just disable margin collapse…
YuriKolovsky, a much simpler way of fixing margin collapsing is to add a border to the top of the element (1px sold transparent would probably work, if not the color of the background), I find that works every time (and if the 1px is a problem, just add a 1px negative top margin!)
I’m sorry, I misunderstood your issue. Inline-block does trigger a new block formatting context, of which hasLayout is a buggy implementation, but I leapt to the erroneous idea you were concerned with older IEs. :shrug:
Collapsing margins are often misunderstood by even proficient CSS authors especially when browsers handle things differently even if we exclude bugs.
Margins on certain elements however should not collapse.
From the specs you can see a whole rage of exclusions (including inline-box);
Vertical margins may collapse between certain boxes:
Two or more adjoining vertical margins of block boxes in the [URL=“http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#normal-flow”]normal flow collapse. The resulting margin width is the maximum of the adjoining margin widths. In the case of negative margins, the maximum of the absolute values of the negative adjoining margins is deducted from the maximum of the positive adjoining margins. If there are no positive margins, the absolute maximum of the negative adjoining margins is deducted from zero. Note. Adjoining boxes may be generated by elements that are not related as siblings or ancestors.
Vertical margins between a floated box and any other box do not collapse (not even between a float and its in-flow children).
Vertical margins of elements that establish new block formatting contexts (such as floats and elements with ‘overflow’ other than ‘visible’) do not collapse with their in-flow children.
Margins of absolutely positioned boxes do not collapse (not even with their in-flow children).
Margins of inline-block elements do not collapse (not even with their in-flow children).
If the top and bottom margins of a box are adjoining, then it is possible for margins to collapse through it. In this case, the position of the element depends on its relationship with the other elements whose margins are being collapsed.
If the element’s margins are collapsed with its parent’s top margin, the top border edge of the box is defined to be the same as the parent’s.
Otherwise, either the element’s parent is not taking part in the margin collapsing, or only the parent’s bottom margin is involved. The position of the element’s top border edge is the same as it would have been if the element had a non-zero bottom border.
IE6/7 will behave differently if in “haslayout” mode and mimics the behaviour that other browsers apply when overflow other than visible is applied. (Of course there are quite a few other bugs in IE as well to be careful of.)
So say you have a structure like this
<element with overflow:hidden>
<element with float></element with float>
</element with overflow:hidden>
No collapsing margins there since the parent has overlfow:Hidden; and the inflow float won’t collapse
IE doesn’t collapse margins wehn the parent has haslayout. Like overflow:hidden;. Look at the bold statement. IE will do the EXACT same thing as the bold statement when the parent has haslayout set-a width/height. Anything that sets it.
There is also another point worth mention here and that is IE’s behavior when “haslayout” has been applied to the element. When the outer div has “haslayout” applied (e.g if it has a width) then it stops collapsing the margins and we get the result shown in Pic. 4 without the need for padding or borders to stop the collapse. However, IE is the only browser that will do this and it is probably the reason that collapsing margins aren’t well understood because in most cases these elements may already have “haslayout” and the margins do not collapse. here
ok, one misunderstanding gone, i was sure that IE did not have any margin-collapsing and was confused at first to hear that it did.