But it's new to me. And being a "seeker of truth" I have to look at both sides of things and do my best to make an "informed" decision - which is sooo hard on the Internet!!
coming down to do you cater to one small subset that doesn't obey the structural rules, or do you use HTML for what it's for?
I like what you said, and I want to re-write my site to follow what you've recommended, DeathShadow, but from what I researched yesterday, I just fear being punished by the Google's of the world for doing the "right" thing?! :-/
2) I reallly feel you are worrying for nothing over search engines. The MINOR ranking difference between a h1 and a h2 is so small that unless you're polishing a turd -- aka a site that has no content of value, it means NOTHING. You have content of value semantically marked up, that people want and will share links to, minior details of what you put the h1 on means jack. Anyone telling you otherwise has been dipping too hard into the SEO kool-aid.
Okay, that is what I would hope is the case.
3) Again, much like a previous topic we discussed, you're talking about it like screen readers are the only thing to make use of it... forgetting data scrapers, keyboard navigation, other media types like print... If you are thinking about the behavior of a specific target device when choosing your tags, you're completely missing the point of HTML; device neutrality.
Okay, fair enough.
4) In talking to people who use screen readers, they're actually a mixed bag on this. Usually the people who use screen readers WITH visual display (which I really don't get the point of) are the only ones who kvetch about it being read twice -- those who use JUST the screen reader like to have the site title read again when they arrive on a page or navigate it, so they know where they are and that they haven't been sent to some other website... besides, is hitting "H" again REALLY that hard to do?
Just trying to be sensitive to those who use Screen Readers.
I did read something similar last night, in that, "What if someone comes to your website, but NOT through the Home Page?! If you use Logo/Company Name for your <h1>, then any point-of-entry will still let people know they are on "Double Dee, Inc.".
5) The H1 as the 'most important' instead of the 'structurally most important' makes all the subheadings be total gibberish. The entire purpose of a heading tag is to mark the beginning of a subsection... the purpose of lower order (higher numbered) heading tags are to mark subsections of the higher order (lower numbered) tag preceding it. If all the h2 and lower order headings on the page are not subsections of what the H1 is declaring, you are using numbered heading tags wrong. PERIOD, end of story.
I agree. And that is why I like your earlier pontification!
Which apparently is "so confusing" (Whiskey tango foxtrot)
Added a new form of sarcasm to the vocab, I see... :lol:
it's why HTML 5 with it's new structural rules pretty much says "shtup it, every one is too stupid to do anything but sleaze it out any old way"... Way to man up guys!
Okay, so - unless I get some compelling argument today - I'm sold on what you've said about the "proper" way to use <h1>'s, and am going to re-tool my website. (And if I don't become a multi-millionaire in 2012, not only will I not share any $$$ with you, DeathShadow, I'll be darn mad at you!!!)
Hey, nobody ever said it was easy molding a "newb" into a superstar like you...
Thanks for enlightening me some more. (I really appreciate it!!)