Getting People to come (and STAY) at your website

Yeah, I guess it is no longer the 1990s… sigh

He’s got some hard times up ahead. If he gets past them, though, and he’s competent and trustworthy, he’ll do ok.

:frowning:

My opinion anyway. Again, I say this without knowing the content/layout/presentation of your site, but I’m thinking the current lack of traffic isn’t a fault of the web site right now.

Maybe I have unrealistic expectations of how many “interactions” you need to have with potential customers before they visit your website.

I would think if you speak face-to-face with 100 people about your business, and each seems interested in what you are offering and takes a brochure, or flyer, or card, that you’d get at least 10-15 hits on your website?!

Now, how many visitors convert to customers is another issue.

I think what is frustrating to both of us, is that if people don’t visit the website, then there is no need to improve the site’s content or design…

And the more I hear myself talk, this can’t be something wrong with my web development skills or his writing skills because for the most part, the issue is that people just aren’t following through and visiting the website.

Sure, when people do visit the website, they aren’t staying very long - which could be issues with my design or his content - but the first concern is just getting people to go to the site.

Debbie

Are you speaking from actual experience?

So how many people does he need to approach to make an dent?

Also, doing word of mouth and boards, just makes it worse for him from a psychological standpoint.

Everybody is thinking: Jeez - we are handing out cards, telling folks about the site (word of mouth), we are going to boards - yet very few are going…!

See what I mean?

Yeah. I could never walk up to strangers and pitch some business ideas I have.

I took this project because it seemed like a good way to learn the business side of building a web-business. (And it’s been a real learning experience, because I am quickly learning that I am CLUELESS about building a business from scratch!!!) I am re-considering some “sure deals” that I was working on when I first came to SitePoint…

Then you throw in boring accounting stuff…

No offense, but what were you expecting?

He has to spice his site up, perhaps make it more about what he does, put a spin on what he does…

I follow you, but remember, in the past week, no one has visited the website, so “spicing up accounting stuff” isn’t the issue…

(I don’t know if it was you who said online forums don’t work, but that is what is ironic. A few weeks ago he went to a few forums in his area, started discussions on some topics, got a decent discussion started, and had maybe 10 visitors per day from 3-4 days before the threads moved on and traffic dropped off. It is the face-to-face interactions that seem to be a “dead duck in the water” almost from the start… And again, I think he comes across just fine in person. In fact, I bumped in to him at the store, was so impressed by him and his business ideas, that I thought quick and convinced him to let me help him build a website! :slight_smile: Personally, I just think people have become so superficial in the last 15 years - thanks to Reality TV and YouTube - that people aren’t focused on long-term, serious topics. Everyone wants “instant gratification” and it has to be “entertaining” like talking dogs… I guess I can’t relate to your average consumer and pop-culture in 2011.)

Two to three times a week, put in edgy, innovative, entertaining tips, pictures, links to other sources. Among the more serious articles, write fun and interesting ones also, put in trivia, quizzes…

If he has a personality and a sense of humour, have him put it in there.

It sells!

If he can get visitors, those are good ideas.

If you feel that his url name is boring and typical, suggest he find a more jazzed up domain name. Make it SOUND like his site is interesting.

No, I think his domain name sound very professional and it is a unique, one-word name like Google, so he did a good job there.

But, even then, you cannot rely on word of mouth, message boards, social networks… There is no way around advertising.

I’m afraid that is the bottom line.

So what he is doing isn’t “advertising”??

I’ll have to tell him to check into radio ads like BlackMax recommended. (I’d be curious to see what they cost. I assumed you’d have to spend tens of thousands of dollars…)

Debbie

Care to explain what that sarcastic comment means??

(I’m reading through everyone’s responses, pondering the suggestions, and responding with follow-up questions and comments…)

Geesh.

Debbie

Okay, that is a valid point, however, I think he’s more worried about people he meets face-to-face that are never visiting his site.

(It’s probably not that hard to start a discussion in a forum, and get people to click on a link and land on your site.)

Ask your client, “What are the five questions that your customer’s ask you when you meet for the first time?” Does his content address those questions in terms that anyone looking for financial planning can understand? That’s what it needs to do. At least that is the tip of the iceberg.

Okay.

So, a few more chips off the iceberg. And really, calling it an iceberg isn’t too much of a cliche since apparently his content is leaving people cold.

Maybe it’s him or the topic…

Like I said, “I” think his in-person “business proposition” as well as what is up on his website is interesting and can provide value to others. (Of course, I’m not all of these people not going to his site.)

Maybe he’s not a good salesman?

Or as others has suggested, maybe he’s just giving up too soon?

Debbie

Some things I’ve not seen mentioned (though I’ll admit my senile old brain only skimmed)

CONTENT is a very important factor – but it has to be unique content of value… and more important is CHANGING content, as in new content on a regular basis.

Sometimes you can actually go overboard by launching with several pages all at once – if it’s content that people will read once and not need to read again (VERY common) that’s one time traffic… worth no more than a bounce!

While unique content of value – like a reference page with instructions, will often bring people back time and time again… it’s actually a massive investment to make one. Some really good examples are W3Schools (even if it is webrot at this point), the tutorials on HowtoForge, or the content often found on sites like Instructables.

If you can’t do content like that and only have single reads – you need to add them slowly so people keep coming back to see the new ones. /snip While it can actually be the same amount of content, building that habit into the user of visiting regularly can be way more important than any one time flash in the pan.

It’s like a client I had a few years ago who was worried about his graphics poor site having no traffic. He had plenty of content – but it was all static – unchanging, never changing, and once you’d seen all of it, little reason to go back… or if you did it was to just one page. On my advice he just started adding one small extra page a week… within a month he started having ‘regulars’ coming through to see what’s new.

… and NEVER underestimate the power of a forums or the ability for people to comment on your content. Not only is it a great way to keep people coming back just to talk to each-other, it’s also one of the best resources to data-mine your visitors to find out what they want, what improvements they think would help, and to leverage as your own unpaid fact checking staff. “User Generated Content” – there’s a reason it’s taken off so big.

After all, the heart of the Internet is communication between people. Play to that whenever possible!

Also it would help if you took a little time to read up on certain marketing techniques – not the flashy artsy stuff, but the core concepts of things like the seven cornerstones of propaganda, indoctrinational speech, or the methodologies of social engineering. There’s something in the human psyche of most people that makes them hardwired to respond how you want if you know the triggers.

I’ll run down the seven propaganda techniques real quick:

Name calling – that one’s easy, though it can just as easily backfire. REALLY GOOD name calling is subtle using words that on the surface don’t seem good/bad. It’s also NOT just about putting things down, but subtly using words that can promote things in people’s minds. A great example is the fabrications on the FSF’s “Windows 7 sins” website… they’ll use words like “corporate” which you don’t automatically register as name calling; but in todays mindset has a negative connotation with many people. They throw about the word freedom even when it’s the opposite of what they’re promoting – just because it invokes a “feel good” attitude about the topic. The more subtle, the better this one tends to work – something I never really mastered (I fully recognize I’m as subtle as a brick through a plate glass window) but I generally recognize it’s use almost immediately.

Glittering Generalities – vague blanket statements that if you think about them usually aren’t actually supported by any sort of rational thought and as a rule are actually meaningless – but they sound good and feel good, or sound bad and feel bad… that feeling brings us to the next one…

Transfer – The use of symbols, comparisons and rhetoric to take good feelings about something unrelated and “transfer” it to your viewpoint, or to take negative feelings and “transfer” it to what you are arguing against.

An example of both glittering generalities AND transfer from an old 50’s film reel is the phrase “A Real American” being applied to a politician in a campaign… It’s a glittering generality because it’s no less true in fact than his opponent… and it’s transfer because they are trying to exploit your patriotism to increase your favoritism of the candidate.

Testimonial – We all know what testimonials are. Endorsements, typically from someone important, easily recognized, or that engenders a natural trust… – The latter of those plays into the next one too:

Plain Folks – laid back attitude, dressing like the target audience, talking like the target audience, pretending to care about their concerns… You see Testimonials and Plain folks tag team a LOT… And when done en-masse you get:

Bandwagon – I’m doing it, she’s doing it… don’t you wanna be a pepper too? This one plays to the lemming in the majority of people – as it turns out mom was right, if your buddies went and jumped off a cliff… most people it turns out would go do it as well.

Card Stacking – the most insidious and often the hardest to recognize… Because when done properly it reads like a completely unbreakable convincing argument as it presents nothing but facts that support the viewpoint being pushed. That’s easy… Problem is it omits anything that disagrees. Religion prior to the enlightenment was the MASTER of this – actively stamping out anything that disagreed with their agenda. Many people don’t realize that things like book burnings are EXACTLY this type of mind control… but so are things like people saying “there’s less IE users today because it’s share dropped to 48%”. Percentages are an all-time GREAT at pulling this off as the majority of people lack the brain cells to rub together and say “wait, a percentage of what?” – Polling agencies pull this all the time; you want to make a liberalist agenda look popular in a poll, go ask a thousand people on the lower east side of New York City… you want to flip the result around, do it on Manhattan island near the east river. Some polling agencies will even poll 10,000 people, and then reject 9,000 of those as “invalid” keeping the thousand who make their viewpoint stick. “of 1,000 people polled”…

Some of these aren’t easy to do, others are too easy and can lose effectiveness if overdone… but if you can master them, you can effectively shove two fingers up your users nose and drag them wherever you want.

As true masters of it like Joseph Goebbels, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, JFK, Sergei Eisenstein, and countless religious leaders ranging from Pope’s to Cultists have proven time and time again. You master these, and it’s a hop skip and a jump away from being able to convince people that if they dress in purple robes and drink the cyanide laced yogurt, the aliens from behind Haley’s comet will come down and take you to Starbase Koloth.

At which point getting them to visit a website regularly is a piece of cake.

Maybe I’m missing the point of the thread - apologies if I am. If your client is an accountant, it’s entirely possible that a website is just not a good tool to gain custom. Accountants and other similar professional service providers need to pound the phones and network with other local business people to gain a client base. A website is never going to get them their customers. Professional service providers thrive on personal and business relationships, which don’t come from promotion via the web.
In this respect, the website could be great - there may be no problems at all with it. It could be that the website is just a marker, a place where a potential client can go to find out more about the guy who came to see them, or called them, or gave them his business card.
If he was offering something like custom printed t-shirts with the photo of your choice, then I would say yes, absolutely, the web is the way to go. For an accountant though, I would consider the website as nothing more than a supporting tool, a presence and place for people to go to find their phone number etc.

Agree with cmdweb. An accountant (or any professional) is someone you have to trust. Meeting that person is the least you need before you can build a little trust. Or hearing from a friend that he is a good accountant. You don’t just google for an accountant and go with the first few results. Finding an accountant is not the same as finding a second-hand $30 widget. At least that’s what’s my opinion is.

Certainly being number one for a certain search term can bring you traffic and clients. But as said before, you’re competing in a difficult competitive market. Do you know how well the website is ranking for different search terms? Does it end up in the first results? If the website isn’t anywhere near the first page, it is - practically - invisible.

Not to say the website is not important. It is! But in the process above, the website is something which should reaffirm the potential client that the accountant is a professional. So the accountant meets a few people, talks to them briefly and makes a good impression. Hands out his business card (again, nicely designed and professionally printed). Only then might the potential clients visit the website to reaffirm what they already learned about the accountant.

So in a sense I (partly) disagree with a previous poster that word-of-mouth is not important and it’s everything about advertising. I’d say there is no better advertising then word-of-mouth. However, this process takes time. After talking to someone and handing out a business card it might take weeks, months or even longer before that person follows up. Or it goes like this: the accountant makes a good impression on someone (person A). That person then talks to someone else a year later (person B). Person B needs an accountant. Person A remembers the accountant: “wait, last year I met an accountant who seemed OK. Let me see if I can find his business card”.

Of course, you can’t be sitting around waiting for this process to happen. It will be hard work. And advertising in all different kinds of ways could play a role in this process. And the website, its content and design are important. But in the end the website is only a (small) part of the total.

No one had said that word of mouth is not important. But with many if not practically all products and services, advertising is needed.

Many, many, MANY who have tried free methods, like also message boards, have found out the hard way.

A lot of brick and mortar and online businesses have bit the dust.

To get any meaningful feedback you will have to post a link to the site. If that leads to any inappropriate requests for information you can simply refuse to answer them. But all the info on the site is already public.

Who knows, maybe someone reading this forum lives in the area and is looking for an accountant.

Have you made a Google Places entry for his office (linking to the site)?

Or on any of the many business search sites. I often come across sites while looking for something that have the “Is this your business” link to add/correct information.

Has he joined his local chamber of commerce? or other business / neighborhood associations.

Is he a good speaker? He could put together targeted programs for various groups. Clubs/Societies/Associations are always looking for speakers. You could even mention it on his site that he is available to speak to groups.

What about the guerrilla marketing technique of slipping business cards into appropriate topic books at local bookstores and libraries.

Dear Debbie, there is good news and bad news.
The good news is that the answer and solution are both simple. And that is not just rethoric, I have improved the traffic to my website dramatically on a complete zero budget approach.
The bad news is that you probably won’t like the answer.

People will come ( and keep coming ) if you offer:
Something of interest
Something new
Something helful

The conclusion of zero traffic is either a matter of lack of interesting content, lack of ranking on common search terms, or both.

cmdweb is about right.

My father, retired now, was an accountant for all of his working life, always self-employed. He never advertised. Not even a website. Yet he sometimes had to turn away potential clients. All of his clients came from a combination of contacts, friends, relatives, and existing clients. And damn hard work every day.

The point being, in my roundabout way, is that maybe this is the kind of profession that does not necessarily need to rely on a website or advertising if other things (the old school way, you could say) are done right.

I admit, though, that this may mean telling your client bad news. Maybe he should learn not to rely on the website (beyond what cmdweb wrote) if it turns out that it just isn’t going to be a magic bullet.

You haven’t mentioned anything about his closest competitors: what do they do right that he doesn’t? Are their websites better/different/more popular or equally ignored? Surely, his competitors’ strategies could give some clue, if you can find something out about them?

But, I’m not a marketer, web dev, or anything like that, so I’m just voicing some thoughts in case they help.

On the internet content is king. Contents can make or break your website, so it’s important that your contents are unique and timely. Though you have said that your problem is not an SEO issue, I guess you still need to apply SEO in your copywriting. Optimizing your content helps your site to get found by search engines and your target audience.

Debbie,you have almost 1000 replies here. PUT HIS LINK IN YOUR SIGNATURE, it will help a lot. I’ve never had a client who was reluctant for me to promote his link. Come on, you’re not posting code, though the entire world uses HTML/CSS, I doubt his site is made differently. You’re posting his link. PROMOTING it. My clients are thrilled when I promote their site for few weeks at least, until it’s getting the initial visitors.

Forum posting may be good or may be not. If you’re using the forums just to promote, then yes, it’s a problem. But he or whoever is handling the promotion can register in few relevant forums and POST NORMALLY, with the link in the signature. Over the 10 years I’ve run my sites the best promotion came from forums. I post replies and new threads, try to be a good member and also promote my link in the signature.

Nothing happens out of the blue sky. I started a new site 1 month ago and it had 4-5 visits a day. Now it’s at 50 and steadily growing. And I actually have more sites that can promote that link and have used some of them. It’s slow work, but you need to be consistent and not give up.

We’d like to see the site actually, so that we can give you more ideas. If the client is wary to let you leave the link here, then I’d just let them enjoy having 10 visitors/ day. It’s not normal to not want to have your link posted. We’re actually giving FREE advice here, so your client doesn’t have any obligation. But we might give some good pointers to save his site :slight_smile:

dojo,

All valid points, but a few things…

1.) My client’s website has been taken down for now, so there is nothing to show.

2.) I’ve had some threats online, so I don’t feel overly inclined to post my website or client’s website here.

(Take that as a compliment in a way that I fear some psycho super-hack out there is waiting to trash my website…)

3.) In my free time I’m trying to build a “template” that is neutral and that I’d be more willing to post.

Thanks,

Debbie

I’ve had some threats online,

Aw. Not from here I hope??

With all due respect, that is just utter nonsense.
I would look at a website from a local accountant, but he would get an earful if he bothered me on the phone.
There is no reason why an accountant could not get clients from a good website. In fact, I can not think of any business that could not benefit from web presence.

Not from here, but I have been stalked from forums before, and I have a slight fear that someone could be following me around online here.

With all of the news of hackers in the news, and the standard “M.O.” of geeks online, I’ve never been too crazy about putting up my websites or things that would let people find me in the real world.

Most people here on SitePoint are great, but all it takes is one lonely person with a personal vendetta, and BAMM!!

Debbie

I tend to agree.

Besides, if you look at all of the financial websites out there, I think accounting and finance is one of the best professions to be online!

Debbie

I’ve had to deal with that more than once on a gaming website I maintain. Gamers (the pen and paper variety and your miniatures wargamers in particular) are a bit of an obsessive breed…

Though it’s funny, quite often it’s like George Carlins bit about “just plain guys from Wisconsin”… there seems to be something about that state of the union when it comes to Internet (and real life) stalkers and/or repeat offense hackers.

I was actually shocked to find out three different people from said region were actually… well, three different people from different towns in that regard. (I originally had them down as one single ban) until I met them in person at a gaming convention.

Though that’s why up until very recently I didn’t hand out my real name online and ONLY went by the “deathshadow” moniker. I still get a bit… nervous when people use my real first name.

First off you can not expect things to happen overnight. Give it some time.
And maybe you need to add more interesting content to the site. If no one is interested, then you need to come up with a different plan.
What about doing some sort of contest? You would not have to spend big bucks on it, but that may draw people in.