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Oct 4, 2004, 16:41

Interesting article, I have tried to install eZ publish, and could never get it to work. Maybe I will try again. My favorite CMS right now is Etomite

Oct 5, 2004, 06:30

Good review by Harry. But I'll say what H only implied - this is NOT a book for beginners. Ezpublish despite its name is not easy - not initially anyway. If you are new to systems and want to get into CMS then try Mambo first. If you find Mambo cannot handle you task then invest time in EzPublish. But paradoxically you *can* get a site working within minutes but this book will not accelerate a beginners learning curve. This book is a good investment but only for those who have already climbed the steep learning curve and are happy with the Ez 'way'.

Oct 8, 2004, 05:04

Well, for the record we're one of eZ's big partners here in the states (firebright.com), and you can get eZ Publish pre-installed from us, as well as several other partners, so installation shouldn't be a problem.

The book is good, but this review definitely slants towards bias a little. It's not a very friendly book for beginners, and in order to understand it, you're really going to need to have some good development experience.

The publishers have assured me that they're coming out with a "beginner centric" version of the book at some future point, but in the meantime, this book is out and it's an odd blend of kernel hacking combined with installation instructions -- I don't think it knows who it's audience is very well.

That said, as a developer, it never leaves my side. It's taught me a profound amount about eZ Publish, and I personally highly reccomend it.

It's published by a really neat publishing house, who published the book on an on demand printer. This means that they can update it as they have updates, without having to get rid of existing stock. Since eZ Publish development moves so fast, this is really important to keeping the book relevant.

I can't wait to see future releases of this book and what's coming from Packtpub.com in the future (they also released a plone book that's pretty good to my understanding as well).

Best to all,

Jonathan

Oct 9, 2004, 09:07

I try to install ez-publish on my windows 98 operating system with 512 mo of RAM and I note down that it require to much ressource and time.
So I couldn't install it.
I hope is a good PHP software...

Oct 10, 2004, 01:00

Nice review Harry.

I wanted to come back on the review of chapter 7. As the author of this chapter I apologise if this seemed patronising. It was my intent to try and help people when choosing the right deployment platform. It has been my experience that in this, the devil is in the detail and when I have overlooked some things in the past the deployment has gone terribly wrong. I just wanted to prevent people from getting burned the way I did. I am guessing from your review that I went overboard in trying to list out every single item. Point noted Thanks.

One final note if you are having problems getting eZ publish going check out the hosting partners here http://ez.no/services/hosting or come and ask on the forums. We are all working hard to ensure eZ publish becomes easy for you to use and install/documentation issues are slowly removed as barriers for what I feel is the best content management system out there.

Tony
VisionWT

Oct 10, 2004, 01:09

Nice review Harry.

I wanted to come back on the review of chapter 7. As the author of a couple of chapters this included I apologise if this seemed patronising. It was my intent to try and help people when choosing the right deployment platform. It has been my experience that in this, the devil is in the detail and when I have overlooked some things in the past the deployment has gone terribly wrong. I just wanted to prevent people from getting burned the way I did. I am guessing from your review that I went overboard in trying to list out every single item. Point noted Thanks.

One final note if you are having problems getting eZ publish going check out the hosting partners here http://ez.no/services/hosting or come and ask on the forums. We are all working hard to ensure eZ publish becomes easy for you to use and install/documentation issues are slowly removed as barriers for what I feel is the best content management system out there.

Tony
VisionWT

Oct 17, 2004, 21:40

Couldn't agree more about getting some ez publish specific hosting to get past the setup and make sure everything is there when you need it.

That said, I love eZ Publish. The book started out a little slow, but I keep coming back to it looking for more.

Jonathan
FireBright, Inc.

Feb 6, 2007, 12:22

It's now 2007 and eZ publish as gone through significant changes to the point where 2004-era documentation (at least online) is hardly even relevant except in the most basic of ways.

There is a large community of interested parties who are literally throwing themselves on the barbed wire trying to test/deploy an open source solution without outsourcing hosting or development. I fear this book will be of little help since so much has changed and we're now at 3.9.0 which is worlds away from the early 3.x series.

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Oct 4, 2004, 16:41	#2
Anonymous SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Interesting article, I have tried to install eZ publish, and could never get it to work. Maybe I will try again. My favorite CMS right now is Etomite

Oct 5, 2004, 06:30	#3
Kevin Polston SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Good review by Harry. But I'll say what H only implied - this is NOT a book for beginners. Ezpublish despite its name is not easy - not initially anyway. If you are new to systems and want to get into CMS then try Mambo first. If you find Mambo cannot handle you task then invest time in EzPublish. But paradoxically you can get a site working within minutes but this book will not accelerate a beginners learning curve. This book is a good investment but only for those who have already climbed the steep learning curve and are happy with the Ez 'way'.

Oct 8, 2004, 05:04	#4
Jonathan Dillon SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Well, for the record we're one of eZ's big partners here in the states (firebright.com), and you can get eZ Publish pre-installed from us, as well as several other partners, so installation shouldn't be a problem. The book is good, but this review definitely slants towards bias a little. It's not a very friendly book for beginners, and in order to understand it, you're really going to need to have some good development experience. The publishers have assured me that they're coming out with a "beginner centric" version of the book at some future point, but in the meantime, this book is out and it's an odd blend of kernel hacking combined with installation instructions -- I don't think it knows who it's audience is very well. That said, as a developer, it never leaves my side. It's taught me a profound amount about eZ Publish, and I personally highly reccomend it. It's published by a really neat publishing house, who published the book on an on demand printer. This means that they can update it as they have updates, without having to get rid of existing stock. Since eZ Publish development moves so fast, this is really important to keeping the book relevant. I can't wait to see future releases of this book and what's coming from Packtpub.com in the future (they also released a plone book that's pretty good to my understanding as well). Best to all, Jonathan

Oct 9, 2004, 09:07	#5
raphpell SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	I try to install ez-publish on my windows 98 operating system with 512 mo of RAM and I note down that it require to much ressource and time. So I couldn't install it. I hope is a good PHP software...

Oct 10, 2004, 01:00	#6
Tony Wood SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Nice review Harry. I wanted to come back on the review of chapter 7. As the author of this chapter I apologise if this seemed patronising. It was my intent to try and help people when choosing the right deployment platform. It has been my experience that in this, the devil is in the detail and when I have overlooked some things in the past the deployment has gone terribly wrong. I just wanted to prevent people from getting burned the way I did. I am guessing from your review that I went overboard in trying to list out every single item. Point noted Thanks. One final note if you are having problems getting eZ publish going check out the hosting partners here http://ez.no/services/hosting or come and ask on the forums. We are all working hard to ensure eZ publish becomes easy for you to use and install/documentation issues are slowly removed as barriers for what I feel is the best content management system out there. Tony VisionWT

Oct 10, 2004, 01:09	#7
Tony Wood SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Nice review Harry. I wanted to come back on the review of chapter 7. As the author of a couple of chapters this included I apologise if this seemed patronising. It was my intent to try and help people when choosing the right deployment platform. It has been my experience that in this, the devil is in the detail and when I have overlooked some things in the past the deployment has gone terribly wrong. I just wanted to prevent people from getting burned the way I did. I am guessing from your review that I went overboard in trying to list out every single item. Point noted Thanks. One final note if you are having problems getting eZ publish going check out the hosting partners here http://ez.no/services/hosting or come and ask on the forums. We are all working hard to ensure eZ publish becomes easy for you to use and install/documentation issues are slowly removed as barriers for what I feel is the best content management system out there. Tony VisionWT

Oct 17, 2004, 21:40	#8
Jonathan SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	Couldn't agree more about getting some ez publish specific hosting to get past the setup and make sure everything is there when you need it. That said, I love eZ Publish. The book started out a little slow, but I keep coming back to it looking for more. Jonathan FireBright, Inc.

Feb 6, 2007, 12:22	#9
ReaderX SitePoint Community Guest Posts: n/a	It's now 2007 and eZ publish as gone through significant changes to the point where 2004-era documentation (at least online) is hardly even relevant except in the most basic of ways. There is a large community of interested parties who are literally throwing themselves on the barbed wire trying to test/deploy an open source solution without outsourcing hosting or development. I fear this book will be of little help since so much has changed and we're now at 3.9.0 which is worlds away from the early 3.x series.