Well, you would say that you may be wrong, and we showed you how you were wrong (rather, Eric did), then you still questioned it, and Eric answered again, and then for a 3rd time you questioned whether it was needed, saying it isn’t needed for this case)
I agree CSS quizzes are impressive in the sort of way that defys what we thought was possible, although haslayout bugs are documented and there’s no getting around the fact that IE needs haslayout to contain floats, so no CSS quiz could possibly fix that. And yes I will say that it is impossible with 100% guarentee. I’ll quit CSS the day that my above statement is false .
You didn’t SHOW me nothing, that’s the problem, you just repeated what is common knowledge for the medium level web dev. I already know what you’re saying, yet you keep hitting the wall.
I said: “I may be wrong, BUT IN THIS CASE it may not be need it”. As in, “the world renowned zoom:1, height:1% we all use to wipe IE’s ass, in this instance may not be needed”, making it perfectly clear that “I may be wrong”.
Try and see beyond rookie meanings we get daily on this forum. I once proposed that this “lighter” part of help be segregated from the more serious and advance part that seems to be missing here, a part that only Paul’s quizes manage to represent with honour, exactly for that: to question at a more serious level the CSS methods we use in order to see if there is maybe something overlooked, and get equally serious answers.
You know, in hope that “maybe there is something else out there”
This is turning in another sterile argument, so, unless there is something NEW to be said, I’ll consider another failure to express my self.
As I said, I didn’t show you anything, I said Eric did. Where above did I say I showed you something?
I almost said that I showed you, but then I corrected myself. If knowing this stuff is so basic then why were you being so ignorant about the facts of IE6? Are you suggesting your less then skilled in CSS? Ok.
You don’t seem to understand, it’s the browsers WORKING to need haslayout. It’s not something fancy that you can work around such as float bottom or something. Do you not understand? I suggest you go put on some reading glasses and refresh on haslayout then :).
You don’t seem to understand YOU DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING there is to know, you just point to ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION claiming THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. One certain way to be laughed at in the future.
The main point: you and Eric don’t seem to understand that I don’t question what you know, what he knows, what I know, but rather what we don’t know. Yet.
You quoted part of me saying that I said “rather Eric did”. So, I win. You lose :). You even tried to quote me out of context and it still didn’t work
You don’t seem to understand YOU DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING there is to know, you just point to ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION claiming THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. One certain way to be laughed at in the future.
I agree I don’t know everything. Noone does. Even Paul doesn’t c ome close to knowing everything. I only claim to know what I claim to know :).
No, you are trying to say we should ignore haslayout. THAT is idiotic and quite frankly, kind of pathetic. You’re also getting worked up over a friendly debate, which you shouldn’t let happen :goof:
The main point: you and Eric don’t seem to understand that I don’t question what you know, what he knows, what I know, but rather what we don’t know. Yet.
Endless sterile debate. Quitting now.
It’s good you quit now, to be frank, I thank you ;).
End result-Recognizing haslayout issues is good.
On the high chance you still respond, I’m going to Biology class now, so you’ll have to wait for my retort for 4 hours :).
Edit-
I do love days where I get 2 hours of sleep due to homework, really gets me edgy on topics
The answer is here which was documented by me a few years ago as there seem to be no other information available on this behaviour. If the margin-top you apply is less than the height of the float plus its margins then your margin is (incorrectly) applied from the bottom of the float. If the margin-top is greater than the height of the float then the margin is correctly applied from the containing block (in your example that would be the top edge of #holder as it does not contain its floated children).
There’s two main issues that need to be addressed here.
We all agreed upon #holder not containing the floats in any browser That’s why the OP started this thread. And we all been given some advice and info.
The OP example, along with the rest of your latest post, explaining the IE6 bug, are the reasons I said that:
this particular case doesn’t need to account for IE6
I also said I may be wrong about it, as the fix should be provided, as a genereal rule, ALWAYS
The rest was an attempt to maybe revive an old discussion, see if maybe something new emerges. But some young guns thought showing off to be the answer to a legitimate question, as my screencap shows.
Thanks Paul. I really am sorry I wasn’t aware of the SPF and that I wasn’t involved with web dev sooner. Seems like the SPF were better than they are now, in more than one way.
Yes, shake-hands and leave the skirmishing for when under my jurisdiction in the competition with your ‘actual entries’ [I am waiting…] let those be your voices of challenge and showcase.
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