The label as I see it is “breaking rules”
Also I’m not making you an ogre, I’m telling you to stop shouting like one.
I recently stumbled upon a post which I can’t find right now that was explaining how to write proper criticism and was hinting at the points made, your problem is not the fact that you provide, but the language that you use.
I agree that unique content, and css images would have to be forbidden for it to be considered truly “without images”, but instead see the competition as a HTML/CSS only competition, which is what I think they originally thought about when it was made.
To be perfectly honest I find all this a tad pathetic and childish, arguing over semantics and bleating on about what is fair and what isn’t.
Get over it and move on - or jog on as they say.
Hey! don’t insult me! (Nah I’m just kidding )
We (me and noonnope) are just having a discussion about what is “markup”, what is “content”, and what words to use when discussing something.
noonnope also points out things that he thinks are unfair, while I try to make sense of it, moving on is an option, but I’m decently entertained here, plus it’s evening and I have nothing better to do.
also it made me realize that anything added after “Pure HTML & CSS Competition” only confused people, especially since “content” is a very broad word.
It’s not a label, it’s an observation. I could also be caustic like you and point you to a link to prove that, but I don’t see the point.
Again, just to humor me.
What language I used? Example.
When I was shouting? Example.
I’m sure you’ll find all my talk was either appreciative talk or tech and rules observations talk.
My only mistake is not keeping my mouth shot about the cracks. The cracks that let the light in. It appears pitch dark is the color, not transparent, for this comp.
And for this comp, and its false atmosphere of bliss, the staff is allowed to use language like “pant pissing”, “dummy chucking”, “thread crapping”. I find something very wrong with this.
And, seeing the slum language used above, you still point the finger at me? I’d like to see how have I, in any way, topped that.
Oh, and:
SVG is not image
SVG can be just mark up
content is content, mark up is mark up. “t” is content. If content by CSS was permitted, one page of 1k would easily become 100k in no time.
[OT]shhhh, your pointing out flaws in the human staff…
What language I used? Example.
When I was shouting? Example.
Ohh, I hate these arguments, I’ve started to see them more often. Even if I provide you with example your going to say: “your example is X, and as such it is invalid, muhahaha!”
It’s a common strategy and I’m not playing along any more, especially since it involves work for no visible benefit.
Instead try and see how I managed to interpret your posts as shouting without a single exclamation mark in them, and how I tied this with language used.
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what’s offensive about ‘dummy chucking’?
I have no idea, but it’s definitely sounds offending xD
…and was placed next to offending words… and is similar to &@!$)*%#!
whatever words you use, it’s the meaning that matters.
I’m going to speak for myself on this… I think the judging was very fair given the competition criteria… and further, I expected probably not to win based on submitting something different than what was being asked for… but what I submitted was what I thought was the ideal solution to an ideal set of competition criteria (in my opinion), and what I suggested post-contest was what I think would have made this a better competition overall, as well as support of an SPF staff-member’s suggestion that there was some unfairness in the rules (to ignore this is deluded, though in actuality, we all knew about the loophole in advance… so it’s not worth complaining about… only adjusting for in the future).
Specifically, I don’t like that it was a markup-heavy contest, and I don’t like that “graphics” weren’t allowed in general, but allowed via a loophole. I think we all saw the loophole in advance, but I personally chose not to take advantage of it because I thought it was against the spirit of the rules, and honestly, I didn’t find it interesting… I’m not upset that others took advantage of it… I fully expected to see graphics-heavy-font-hacks in other submissions . The content revisions and no-js stuff, on the other hand, I thought were a little too strict.
I knew these things going in, and intentionally didn’t submit something that was “according to the rules” - my suggestions aren’t “pant-pissing” as one staff member rudely suggested, but a very objective critique of what would make the contest better. Period.
SPF staff need to grow up and take feedback better. Rudely insulting such feedback and the members who give it is not acceptable in a community site. I’m still awaiting an apology, in fact…
To be perfectly fair and honest, I believe you don’t deserve to be a Team Leader, because your tone of voice is puerile and insulting, and shows no comprehension of what you’re even replying to…
No one in this thread has “bleated”, “argued”, or said anything “pathetic” except yourself… you insulted people for giving feedback to the forum. You took thie valuable feedback and suggestions given… misinterpreted them as bitter retaliation… cast them into a “blacklist” thread, and tried to make us look bad.
Sorry, buddy, I won’t take that lying down. You owe everyone in this thread an apology.
@noonnope I didn’t mean the discussion, I meant the comeback which says “Prove what your saying, give example.” to which I normally reply, giving an example, which then gets discredited nonetheless by “your example X is invalid, you are wrong in every way possible” even if the example is proper.
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Specifically, I don’t like that it was a markup-heavy contest, and I don’t like that “graphics” weren’t allowed in general, but allowed via a loophole. I, for one, saw the loophole in advance, but I chose not to take advantage of it… I thought it was against the spirit of the rules. The content revisions and no-js stuff, on the other hand, I thought were a little too strict.
I knew these things going in, and intentionally didn’t submit something that was “according to the rules” - my suggestions aren’t “pant-pissing” as one staff member rudely suggested, but a very objective critique of what would make the contest better. Period.
This contest title was “Pure HTML & CSS”, and that’s what you were supposed to aim for, having css graphics is not a loophole if it was made with CSS
SPF staff need to grow up and take feedback better. Rudely insulting such feedback and the members who give it is not acceptable in a community site. I’m still awaiting an apology, in fact…
I agree in that they need to take criticism better, but they can’t, it’s a lot of work to take criticism well, and they already have enough of work, what your asking is superhuman, and not many are.
but you don’t want an older staff… I’ve seen some old staff (mentally), and it can get pretty bad…
To be perfectly fair and honest, I believe you don’t deserve to be a Team Leader, because your tone of voice is puerile and insulting, and shows no comprehension of what you’re even replying to…
No one in this thread has “bleated”, “argued”, or said anything “pathetic” except yourself… you insulted people for giving feedback to the forum. You took this valuable feedback and suggestions, and interpreted them as bitter retaliation… cast them into a “blacklist” thread, and tried to make us look bad.
Sorry, buddy, I won’t take that lying down. You owe everyone in this thread an apology.
@staff: try and interpret like he sees it, be smart with your reply or lack of it. @transio: you don’t make things personal while having a discussion, doing so is what you yourself call “childish”
@everyone don’t get too hung up on something negative.
@noonnope don’t change the words, it’s not fair
XHTML =/= HTML
it’s similar, and I know I used xhtml, but I used it as HTML, which is incorrect but most supported and common on the internet, which is also an important factor to consider, I took a very long while before deciding to go with xhtml, because html5 was my first option, and html4 was my second.
If someone used proper XHTML, they would fail the competition because it would not work in IE at all, I think this disqualifies SVG somehow
also note, SVG has its own abbreviation, and there title is not HTML, CSS & SVG
I’m not looking for apologies. I understand you’re under orders. Since you forked the thread, why not leave us be here, at our own will.
One thing I look for: when you forked it, you’ve put my name on the title, which is not my choice. Please remove the fallout part. If you’re permitted, of course. Thank you.
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It’s interesting but mostly NO ONE uses XHTML, they use HTML styled like XHTML, it’s visible by the content-type “text/html” vs “application/xhtml+xml”, read this.
So I think that might change some of your views noonnope, like some of your posts have clarified my views.
I know about mime types! I even started on SPF with an argument about it with Tommy (AutisticCuckoo).
And I also had a rough time talking others into “using XHTML type syntax doesn’t make your HTML mark up XHTML valid.”! Where I was pointing exactly this:
HTML != XHMTL != HTML5 (notice the correct != instead of =/= )
since they claimed that the only difference between them is the self closing tag.
But you forgot about the validator. If the validator says it’s XHTML strict valid, it’s a http server job and settings serving your XHTML as XHTML. Serving it wrong doesn’t make XHTML become HTML.
That (http server settings) or some trick! That will serve XHTML as XHTML even to IE!
I didn’t miss that… I also didn’t miss the mess of additional insults it was buried in. FYI, I don’t take offense to the word pissing… I take offense to the implication that the members’ feedback given here (including mine) is “pathetic”. That’s what I expect an apology for. Cheers.
). It’s still Pure.