Layout: Fixed then Responsive?

When you build a responsive website, do you ever do the layout using fixed dimensions - especially widths - and then after you have everything looking just right, then start converting things to percentages?

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I feel like that would be extra work, having to do it fixed layout, and then changing it to a responsive layout. It would be basically doing the same work twice. I personally use bootstrap grids for development so I pretty much get responsiveness out of the box. Just a few extra classes and Im set. If your end goal is to have a responsive website, why not start off with responsive layout? It is Less work. Just my 2cents.

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@mikey_w

There is a recent thread which has detailed replies regarding your question especially @paulob’s Post #3

Develop Responsive SIte

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You can do if you want, using a min-width: media query. But there is no need really, a max-width: setting will take care of it for something like a main content frame.

#main { max-width: 900px; width: 100%; }

You can if you like have things like sidebars or floated pictures at set widths and then change them for smaller screens in a media query. The possibilities are endless, as I’ve said before, there is no reason that a desktop view of a responsive side should look any different to a old-school fixed size site design, like so many people seem to fear.

Did you ever get around to reading Ethan Marcotte’s ‘Responsive Web Design’? He gives a very simple formula the helps move from fixed widths to percentages. The only time you should need an actual pixel value though, is for the max-width of the top container. Everything else is relative (a percentage of) to that.

Have you spent any time at all yet, on trying out what people have been suggesting to you these last few months? It’s about 30 minutes work maximum, to create a simple HTML page structure with a header, footer, a couple of columns, and some text, then adding some very basic CSS to see how the main principles work. Can you tell us you’ve tried that? Because if you’ve not, it’s beginning to feel very much like you’re wasting the time of the people here who’ve tried, repeatedly, to help you out.

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Echoing Sams post, instead of having a container be something like…width:1000px;margin:0 auto;. Do max-width:1000px;margin:0 auto; and that way it’ll auto resize.

Do not do fixed widths and then convert to responsive. That’s just silly. Doing the work twice!

I think you missed my question…

Last night I read Shay Howe: Responsive Web Design. In it, he mentions a formula to convert fixed sizes to proportions:

target ÷ context = result

Of course, if you don’t know the original fixed sizes, then you can’t use this formula.

So I was asking if it is easier to lay things out like they won’t change, get thing just right, then use that formula to convert things so you have the same proportions in a responsive approach.

Follow me?

No money, and the link you provided didn’t work.

I will eventually, but my lemonade stand only made $0.75 yesterday… :wink:

See my comments above.

I spend 18 hours a day trying to make money, which leaves no time to try and learn much. Even if I did, I am skeptical that it would make me any money.

As mentioned above, I did spend some time reading a tutorial from Shay Howe last night.

I would like to learn RWD and even how to build mobile apps, but anything I learn will take a lot of time, plus convincing people to hire me off of newly learned skills seems as impossible as getting hired knowing what I spent a lifetime doing already. (See How to Approach Businesses?

If you feel that way, then you should definitely ditch. I spend 95% of my 18 hour days looking for things like jobs mowing lawns to try and come up with money to pay bills. The other 5% is spent asking questions here with the hope I can survive my current situation.

It must be nice to have so much stability in your life…

My goal for the weekend was to finally sit down and try to build a simple responsive website. Sorry if my efforts aren’t quick enough for everyone… :smirk:

Don’t use a formula. Use your eyes. There is no one formula/size fits all for responsive web design.

I suggest you take one thing at a time, and as you’re pressed for time, I would advise you to concentrate on RWD first. It is not difficult, and you’ll certainly get a good grasp of the basics in a weekend. Most of my sites were already fluid, but I was initially rather daunted by the idea of RWD - until I tried it. It was much easier than I’d anticipated. Just play about a bit and you’ll soon see how it works.

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@mikey_w

Instead of reading tutorials, try creating an actual page that you can reference.

I have just spent the last 10 minutes in creating a Free Web Host, used FTP (FileZilla) to upload a very basic RWD index.php page.

The index.php page contains a link to the Google Mobile Friendly Test

On the off-chance your have any problems it will be far easier to solve with an actual example.

Edit:
Moved link for “Google Mobile Friendly Test” to my site to prevent popups.

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