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i-net · Feb 10, 2007, 05:08

Notice: This is a discussion thread for comments about the SitePoint article, Text Link Ads: Buy Your Way to the Top?.
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My steps

1. find the relevant top ranking site.
2. check the other sites advertising within this site.
2. what are their PR and Alexa ranks.
3. do they have a known backlink for the above site according to the search engine you want to gain high ranks for.

hope that makes sense but obviously theres a bit more to it.

Also 'dont put all your eggs in one basket'. When acquiring links, spend your time and money on a mixture of paid, free, forums, blogs and directories.

cheers
Bill

weblaunch · Aug 20, 2007, 02:23

TLA tends to be overpriced, IMO. You get better deals browsing the ads on forums like sitepoint and dp.

SEO Dynamics · Aug 20, 2007, 10:01

You're right.

worldofchat · Aug 20, 2007, 17:02

Hi there

I also agree, i tryed them once and wasnt happy with the links i was suggested, I wonder if google are going to crack down on TLAs site as they are going to try to crack down on sites sellings text links openly aint they ?

Woc

akdiver · Aug 20, 2007, 17:24

I think google have TLA sites in thier targets and are working out ways to kill thier effectiveness. IMO if u buy TLA buy from a site not actively selling them.

Marketexpert · Aug 21, 2007, 17:25

Is this like using PPC to generate backlinks?

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worldofchat · Aug 21, 2007, 17:34

Hi

no u buy a textlink on a site for a month, they sent me an email saying i will get $100 off my first sale, so i had a go with it, fortunatly it didnt cost me much,

Otherwise it would have been a complete waste of money their links are extremely expensive and put in really crap places on the websites they were added to I think it was $80 a month for a text link on a pr6 blog, cashing in on people they way they have done, serves them right i hope google sort them out lol !

Woc

aslammap · Sep 16, 2007, 18:21

paid links works out pretty good but i will have to agree with (i-net forums, DIR, and Blog) before you know it you be all over the internet.

dvduval · Sep 16, 2007, 19:33

There seems to be a penalty in google against text-link-ads.com

Try searching for:
text link ads

They don't even come up for their name.

Better yet, search for
text-link-ads

SitePoint comes up first.

I have nothing against text-link-ads.com, but there is some strange stuff going on so be careful.

worldofchat · Sep 17, 2007, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvduval

There seems to be a penalty in google against text-link-ads.com

Try searching for:
text link ads

They don't even come up for their name.

Better yet, search for
text-link-ads

SitePoint comes up first.

I have nothing against text-link-ads.com, but there is some strange stuff going on so be careful.

You are correct i noticed this a while ago, it usually comes up with a sponsored link to click mind !

Woc

brandondrury · Oct 16, 2007, 11:50

Text Link Ads is useless to me. If they had any interest in creating a product / service that would be of any use at all someone who didn't want to be busted by Google, I would have never took the time to build my own system fo buying / selling links.

Since no one else out there seemed interest enough in building a REAL link system, I had to do it myself.

It sickens me when you look at the millions of dollars that Text Link Ads makes every month and then you see that Matt Cutts called out this kind of linking in 2005 yet they still haven't done anything about it.

Brandon

aaronjj · Oct 17, 2007, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandondrury

Text Link Ads is useless to me. If they had any interest in creating a product / service that would be of any use at all someone who didn't want to be busted by Google, I would have never took the time to build my own system fo buying / selling links.

Since no one else out there seemed interest enough in building a REAL link system, I had to do it myself.

It sickens me when you look at the millions of dollars that Text Link Ads makes every month and then you see that Matt Cutts called out this kind of linking in 2005 yet they still haven't done anything about it.

Brandon

Didn't Matt Cutts call out your kind of linking in 2007?

neuwill · Oct 18, 2007, 03:01

lol aaronjj!

Text Link Ads are still a very viable way to get top in the rankings, most definetely.

Few words of advice though:
* Don't go overboard, buy say 5-6 a month and add extras every month
* TLA are very volitile, Google might figure out an algo to detect that link you bought, and then before you know it you might drop 10 ranks.

And Brandon - Your's is no different to TLA they just provide the url and you don't! Believe me, Google does NOT index Text-Link-Ads - because it would be breaking their own guidelines... Notice the no-follows on every link in TLA...

Google's only way of detecting paid links would be on the page they are bought on, and generally speaking it would not be a penalisation for the site linked TO but a ignoring of the passed link value which may seem like a penalisation but it definetely isn't!

One great example of a site that sells TLA's is howstuffworks.com they probably net $100k a month from tla's i would imagine, have they been penalised in Google?

stymiee · Oct 18, 2007, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by neuwill

Google's only way of detecting paid links would be on the page they are bought on

You can be sure that isn't true.

neuwill · Oct 22, 2007, 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by stymiee

You can be sure that isn't true.

OK that, and the fact that they rely on people submitting peoples websites. They are not allowed to follow pages that have robots.txt removed, its illegal and goes by everything they stand by as a search engine.

stymiee · Oct 22, 2007, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by neuwill

OK that, and the fact that they rely on people submitting peoples websites. They are not allowed to follow pages that have robots.txt removed, its illegal and goes by everything they stand by as a search engine.

There are lots of ways to detect paid links. Robots.txt would stop maybe 10% of them. We have a thread here that actually listed them but I couldn't find them with a quick search.

dvduval · Oct 22, 2007, 09:27

When you start dealing with higher pagerank sites, you can be certain there will be some sort of human review every so often. I can't prove this, but from what I have observed, I am 99% certain they have actual people going through and looking for sites that are trying to buy their way to the top or profit by selling pagerank.

ssandecki · Oct 22, 2007, 09:53

Personally I never buy text links, never have and never will. I don't down play anyone who does, I just never found the need. CPM has always worked well for me that I never felt the need to buy text links. I'm not that big of a PR nut

aaronjj · Oct 22, 2007, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvduval

When you start dealing with higher pagerank sites, you can be certain there will be some sort of human review every so often. I can't prove this, but from what I have observed, I am 99% certain they have actual people going through and looking for sites that are trying to buy their way to the top or profit by selling pagerank.

If nothing else, I'd say they definitely have humans following up on link selling and spam reports made on the higher ranking sites. And those are the sites more likely to get reported.

neuwill · Oct 25, 2007, 05:58

Well this website is an authority source, and this article is fresh with the onpage seo aswell its no wonder. Also with the TLA companies being artificially penalised by Google, its no surprise really!

dvduval · Oct 27, 2007, 17:00

I think we are seeing this practice (buying text links on high PageRank sites) is getting to be a rather risky venture based on this latest Google toolbar pagerank update.

webvicious · Oct 27, 2007, 18:37

Google just trying to take a little steam out of the text link industry. Fact remains that good inbound links are good in abundance!

rcj662 · Oct 27, 2007, 19:10

I agree the latest update seems to be lowering any paid links pr and hurting sites that use them to get most of thier rank.

dvduval · Oct 27, 2007, 20:29

Buying a single well placed link on an "on topic" page may still be quite good, but sites that run a program where they sell multiple links throughout the site has become a more riskier notion.

webvicious · Oct 28, 2007, 16:51

This will make links cheaper I should think...anyone have an opinion?

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Feb 10, 2007, 05:08	#1
i-net SitePoint Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 14	Notice: This is a discussion thread for comments about the SitePoint article, Text Link Ads: Buy Your Way to the Top?. __________ My steps 1. find the relevant top ranking site. 2. check the other sites advertising within this site. 2. what are their PR and Alexa ranks. 3. do they have a known backlink for the above site according to the search engine you want to gain high ranks for. hope that makes sense but obviously theres a bit more to it. Also 'dont put all your eggs in one basket'. When acquiring links, spend your time and money on a mixture of paid, free, forums, blogs and directories. cheers Bill

Aug 20, 2007, 02:23	#2
weblaunch SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 149	TLA tends to be overpriced, IMO. You get better deals browsing the ads on forums like sitepoint and dp.

Aug 20, 2007, 10:01	#3
SEO Dynamics Non-Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 166	You're right.

Aug 20, 2007, 17:02	#4
worldofchat SitePoint Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 272	Hi there I also agree, i tryed them once and wasnt happy with the links i was suggested, I wonder if google are going to crack down on TLAs site as they are going to try to crack down on sites sellings text links openly aint they ? Woc

Aug 20, 2007, 17:24	#5
akdiver SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 138	I think google have TLA sites in thier targets and are working out ways to kill thier effectiveness. IMO if u buy TLA buy from a site not actively selling them.

Aug 21, 2007, 17:25	#6
Marketexpert SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26	Is this like using PPC to generate backlinks? __________________ C o m p u t e r _e r r o r _r e p a i r _r e s o u r c e

Aug 21, 2007, 17:34	#7
worldofchat SitePoint Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 272	Hi no u buy a textlink on a site for a month, they sent me an email saying i will get $100 off my first sale, so i had a go with it, fortunatly it didnt cost me much, Otherwise it would have been a complete waste of money their links are extremely expensive and put in really crap places on the websites they were added to I think it was $80 a month for a text link on a pr6 blog, cashing in on people they way they have done, serves them right i hope google sort them out lol ! Woc

Sep 16, 2007, 18:21	#8
aslammap SitePoint Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 16	paid links works out pretty good but i will have to agree with (i-net forums, DIR, and Blog) before you know it you be all over the internet.

Sep 16, 2007, 19:33	#9
dvduval phpLD Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,259	There seems to be a penalty in google against text-link-ads.com Try searching for: text link ads They don't even come up for their name. Better yet, search for text-link-ads SitePoint comes up first. I have nothing against text-link-ads.com, but there is some strange stuff going on so be careful.

Oct 16, 2007, 11:50	#11
brandondrury SitePoint Evangelist Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 455	Text Link Ads is useless to me. If they had any interest in creating a product / service that would be of any use at all someone who didn't want to be busted by Google, I would have never took the time to build my own system fo buying / selling links. Since no one else out there seemed interest enough in building a REAL link system, I had to do it myself. It sickens me when you look at the millions of dollars that Text Link Ads makes every month and then you see that Matt Cutts called out this kind of linking in 2005 yet they still haven't done anything about it. Brandon

Oct 18, 2007, 03:01	#13
neuwill SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 89	lol aaronjj! Text Link Ads are still a very viable way to get top in the rankings, most definetely. Few words of advice though: * Don't go overboard, buy say 5-6 a month and add extras every month * TLA are very volitile, Google might figure out an algo to detect that link you bought, and then before you know it you might drop 10 ranks. And Brandon - Your's is no different to TLA they just provide the url and you don't! Believe me, Google does NOT index Text-Link-Ads - because it would be breaking their own guidelines... Notice the no-follows on every link in TLA... Google's only way of detecting paid links would be on the page they are bought on, and generally speaking it would not be a penalisation for the site linked TO but a ignoring of the passed link value which may seem like a penalisation but it definetely isn't! One great example of a site that sells TLA's is howstuffworks.com they probably net $100k a month from tla's i would imagine, have they been penalised in Google?

Oct 22, 2007, 09:27	#17
dvduval phpLD Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,259	When you start dealing with higher pagerank sites, you can be certain there will be some sort of human review every so often. I can't prove this, but from what I have observed, I am 99% certain they have actual people going through and looking for sites that are trying to buy their way to the top or profit by selling pagerank.

Oct 22, 2007, 09:53	#18
ssandecki Google Zombie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 662	Personally I never buy text links, never have and never will. I don't down play anyone who does, I just never found the need. CPM has always worked well for me that I never felt the need to buy text links. I'm not that big of a PR nut

Oct 25, 2007, 05:58	#20
neuwill SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 89	Well this website is an authority source, and this article is fresh with the onpage seo aswell its no wonder. Also with the TLA companies being artificially penalised by Google, its no surprise really!

Oct 27, 2007, 17:00	#21
dvduval phpLD Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,259	I think we are seeing this practice (buying text links on high PageRank sites) is getting to be a rather risky venture based on this latest Google toolbar pagerank update.

Oct 27, 2007, 18:37	#22
webvicious SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88	Google just trying to take a little steam out of the text link industry. Fact remains that good inbound links are good in abundance!

Oct 27, 2007, 19:10	#23
rcj662 SitePoint Wizard Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,203	I agree the latest update seems to be lowering any paid links pr and hurting sites that use them to get most of thier rank.

Oct 27, 2007, 20:29	#24
dvduval phpLD Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,259	Buying a single well placed link on an "on topic" page may still be quite good, but sites that run a program where they sell multiple links throughout the site has become a more riskier notion.

Oct 28, 2007, 16:51	#25
webvicious SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88	This will make links cheaper I should think...anyone have an opinion?