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		<title>By: spike2000</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-912537</link>
		<dc:creator>spike2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nadir, you said that duplicate content is not an issue since the pages reside on different indices but when Google shows regular sites in it&#039;s mobile search (which it then transcodes) so the results do appear to get &quot;mixed up&quot;. How is someone not penalised if they have two pages (one web and the other mobile) with the same content?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nadir, you said that duplicate content is not an issue since the pages reside on different indices but when Google shows regular sites in it&#8217;s mobile search (which it then transcodes) so the results do appear to get &#8220;mixed up&#8221;. How is someone not penalised if they have two pages (one web and the other mobile) with the same content?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tomthurston</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-912100</link>
		<dc:creator>tomthurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mihaela, Thanks for this post. I don&#039;t agree with a couple of your point but its a great post as it has lead to some great discussions which I have learned a lot from.

Regarding .mobi domains, one advantage of them over normal domains is that Transcoders seem to ignore .mobi sites better than they do non .mobi domains.

Regarding &quot;on the fly&quot; adaptation for mobiles not being required... this isn&#039;t possible now, and it won&#039;t be in the future unless every phone has the same browser and the same screensize. In fact, I would probably go so far as saying that it just wont be possible unless everyone in the world has the same phone and operator.

A simple example is a banner... corporate brands like their banner at the top of every mobile page, and they like it to fit the screen width exactly. Therefore you need to deliver an appropriately sized banner. That means your system *has* to adapt content for the device or your customer wont be happy.

As for end users, if we look at a mobile wallpapers as an example - there&#039;s hundreds of different sized screens out there. There is no best sized fits all solution out there for delivering a wallpaper. Users with big screens want the wallpaper to fit their phone, so you can&#039;t make them all small. And you can&#039;t make them all big either, as a massive image will break loads of phones with smaller screens.

Anyway - I get what you are saying - and you do raise some interesting issues - but I don&#039;t think that there will ever be the day when you don&#039;t need a special system to create websites for viewing optimally on a mobile device. (Indeed, even desktop websits are optimised for different browsers... I think the problems getting worse not better!)

With kind regards,

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mihaela, Thanks for this post. I don&#8217;t agree with a couple of your point but its a great post as it has lead to some great discussions which I have learned a lot from.</p>
<p>Regarding .mobi domains, one advantage of them over normal domains is that Transcoders seem to ignore .mobi sites better than they do non .mobi domains.</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;on the fly&#8221; adaptation for mobiles not being required&#8230; this isn&#8217;t possible now, and it won&#8217;t be in the future unless every phone has the same browser and the same screensize. In fact, I would probably go so far as saying that it just wont be possible unless everyone in the world has the same phone and operator.</p>
<p>A simple example is a banner&#8230; corporate brands like their banner at the top of every mobile page, and they like it to fit the screen width exactly. Therefore you need to deliver an appropriately sized banner. That means your system *has* to adapt content for the device or your customer wont be happy.</p>
<p>As for end users, if we look at a mobile wallpapers as an example &#8211; there&#8217;s hundreds of different sized screens out there. There is no best sized fits all solution out there for delivering a wallpaper. Users with big screens want the wallpaper to fit their phone, so you can&#8217;t make them all small. And you can&#8217;t make them all big either, as a massive image will break loads of phones with smaller screens.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; I get what you are saying &#8211; and you do raise some interesting issues &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think that there will ever be the day when you don&#8217;t need a special system to create websites for viewing optimally on a mobile device. (Indeed, even desktop websits are optimised for different browsers&#8230; I think the problems getting worse not better!)</p>
<p>With kind regards,</p>
<p>Tom</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SamSEO</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-884083</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha I just searched &#039;does google give .mobi higher rank&#039; on my BB to read up (at the bar). Thanks, that was very smart, makes sense.

I&#039;ll read the comments when I get home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha I just searched &#8216;does google give .mobi higher rank&#8217; on my BB to read up (at the bar). Thanks, that was very smart, makes sense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll read the comments when I get home.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mihaela Lica</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-882994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihaela Lica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nadir, thank you for the link - that&#039;s an excellent article, with very valid points. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nadir, thank you for the link &#8211; that&#8217;s an excellent article, with very valid points. :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nadir</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-882829</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mihaela, I thought you&#039;d be interested in reading this article on SEL.

http://searchengineland.com/has-the-iphone-made-mobile-seo-obsolete-16655

Cheers
Nadir
http://wwww.seoprinciple.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mihaela, I thought you&#8217;d be interested in reading this article on SEL.</p>
<p><a href="http://searchengineland.com/has-the-iphone-made-mobile-seo-obsolete-16655" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/has-the-iphone-made-mobile-seo-obsolete-16655</a></p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Nadir<br />
<a href="http://wwww.seoprinciple.com/" rel="nofollow">http://wwww.seoprinciple.com/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mihaela Lica</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-880557</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihaela Lica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Nadir, that part of my comment should have been included in the article. I also made mobile sites for a few clients, and the only one that has success with is a detective agency. The rest were just waste of time - but who knows, maybe they will pay off in a year of two. 

What can I say, I am sorry the article &quot;scared&quot; you so much. ;) But you do know I am right. For some people desktop sites are enough - for example a web hosting client never needed a mobile site. He got enough &quot;mobile&quot; traffic on his desktop site and even customers (mostly for domains).  

I partially agree with the idea of creating mobile sites - defining a standard would make it easier for everyone. But from a user perspective... it took years to educate the customers how to find/navigate a website online - it might take as long for mobile content. Mobile sites are different - apparently easier to use, in fact the information gets trunked and buried under a bunch of navigation links. News sites are the easiest to optimize in my view. Sites that sell products face a real challenge. Amazon.mobi is a real pain to browse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Nadir, that part of my comment should have been included in the article. I also made mobile sites for a few clients, and the only one that has success with is a detective agency. The rest were just waste of time &#8211; but who knows, maybe they will pay off in a year of two. </p>
<p>What can I say, I am sorry the article &#8220;scared&#8221; you so much. ;) But you do know I am right. For some people desktop sites are enough &#8211; for example a web hosting client never needed a mobile site. He got enough &#8220;mobile&#8221; traffic on his desktop site and even customers (mostly for domains).  </p>
<p>I partially agree with the idea of creating mobile sites &#8211; defining a standard would make it easier for everyone. But from a user perspective&#8230; it took years to educate the customers how to find/navigate a website online &#8211; it might take as long for mobile content. Mobile sites are different &#8211; apparently easier to use, in fact the information gets trunked and buried under a bunch of navigation links. News sites are the easiest to optimize in my view. Sites that sell products face a real challenge. Amazon.mobi is a real pain to browse.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nadir</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-880240</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? That was not my point: I didn&#039;t say that .mobi sites were a must for mobile SEO (I do mobile SEO for many sites and use all kinds of extensions or subdomains, and yes, I know that they do not have an impact on rankings, thank you), I was only explaining why I disagree with you when you advised not to create mobile sites because a traditional desktop site would do. 

But you did mention something in your comment which I agree with and think you should have included that in your post so not to confuse people:

&quot;Some sites like Amazon are justified to have mobile ready content. For others the endeavor could be too expensive and pointless in the end, if their content doesn’t fit the need of the mobile users. For this reason only I said people should think twice before duplicating content on a .mobi site.&quot;

I do mobile SEO for a mobile content provider, so when I read your post, I almost fell off my chair when you said people didn&#039;t need mobile sites :-S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? That was not my point: I didn&#8217;t say that .mobi sites were a must for mobile SEO (I do mobile SEO for many sites and use all kinds of extensions or subdomains, and yes, I know that they do not have an impact on rankings, thank you), I was only explaining why I disagree with you when you advised not to create mobile sites because a traditional desktop site would do. </p>
<p>But you did mention something in your comment which I agree with and think you should have included that in your post so not to confuse people:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some sites like Amazon are justified to have mobile ready content. For others the endeavor could be too expensive and pointless in the end, if their content doesn’t fit the need of the mobile users. For this reason only I said people should think twice before duplicating content on a .mobi site.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do mobile SEO for a mobile content provider, so when I read your post, I almost fell off my chair when you said people didn&#8217;t need mobile sites :-S</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mihaela Lica</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-880152</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihaela Lica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that, Ronan. Either way is good news and it shows that .mobi sites have chances of ranking good in Google&#039;s SERPs. Future will tell if .mobi will remain the preferred extension for mobile sites. I think good marketing will make this possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that, Ronan. Either way is good news and it shows that .mobi sites have chances of ranking good in Google&#8217;s SERPs. Future will tell if .mobi will remain the preferred extension for mobile sites. I think good marketing will make this possible.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ronan Cremin</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-880131</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronan Cremin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, I was not saying that Google indexes .mobi sites preferentially, rather I am saying that Google now often lists mobile sites (in general, not .mobi in particular) as the #1 result. This is a subtle but significant change.  Previously mobile sites were listed in a section of results called &quot;Mobile web&quot; or something like that. Google appears to changed their policy on this to better represent sites that have a mobile-friendly view. We think that this a step in the right direction because a large number of major internet brands already have excellent mobile-friendly sites. 

Note that the results you get from Google mobile search depend on the mobile device that you are using (or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mobiforge.com/developing/blog/user-agent-switcher-config-file&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;masquerading&lt;/a&gt; as).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, I was not saying that Google indexes .mobi sites preferentially, rather I am saying that Google now often lists mobile sites (in general, not .mobi in particular) as the #1 result. This is a subtle but significant change.  Previously mobile sites were listed in a section of results called &#8220;Mobile web&#8221; or something like that. Google appears to changed their policy on this to better represent sites that have a mobile-friendly view. We think that this a step in the right direction because a large number of major internet brands already have excellent mobile-friendly sites. </p>
<p>Note that the results you get from Google mobile search depend on the mobile device that you are using (or <a href="http://www.mobiforge.com/developing/blog/user-agent-switcher-config-file" rel="nofollow">masquerading</a> as).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mihaela Lica</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/17/mobile-seo-myths-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-880108</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihaela Lica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the very valuable feedback, Ronan. The examples are very good - but still too narrow to justify buying a .mobi domain. 

Nadir, believe me, I am not bored. If you want to start the pro and con mobile SEO link war, I will give you some authority sources:

http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archives/2008/08/mobile_seo.html
http://www.fyo.ca/index.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=29

It is not my intention to discourage people to build mobile sites. Some sites like Amazon are justified to have mobile ready content. For others the endeavor could be too expensive and pointless in the end, if their content doesn&#039;t fit the need of the mobile users. For this reason only I said people should think twice before duplicating content on a .mobi site. Also, keep in mind that .mobi is not the only way to make a mobile site. m.domain.com is also a possibility, and there are a few more. 

With Ronan&#039;s feedback now we know that Google does index .mobi preferentially - but I think it does it only for brands and not for keywords. However, this is very good news, that puts .mobi in a more positive light in my opinion. 

If I would be totally against .mobi I wouldn&#039;t recommend Instant Mobilizer. I wouldn&#039;t even mention it. My intention was obviously to invite the readers to a conversation. And this conversation so far is anything but boring. We can agree to disagree with grace, Nadir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the very valuable feedback, Ronan. The examples are very good &#8211; but still too narrow to justify buying a .mobi domain. </p>
<p>Nadir, believe me, I am not bored. If you want to start the pro and con mobile SEO link war, I will give you some authority sources:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archives/2008/08/mobile_seo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archives/2008/08/mobile_seo.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fyo.ca/index.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=29" rel="nofollow">http://www.fyo.ca/index.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=29</a></p>
<p>It is not my intention to discourage people to build mobile sites. Some sites like Amazon are justified to have mobile ready content. For others the endeavor could be too expensive and pointless in the end, if their content doesn&#8217;t fit the need of the mobile users. For this reason only I said people should think twice before duplicating content on a .mobi site. Also, keep in mind that .mobi is not the only way to make a mobile site. m.domain.com is also a possibility, and there are a few more. </p>
<p>With Ronan&#8217;s feedback now we know that Google does index .mobi preferentially &#8211; but I think it does it only for brands and not for keywords. However, this is very good news, that puts .mobi in a more positive light in my opinion. </p>
<p>If I would be totally against .mobi I wouldn&#8217;t recommend Instant Mobilizer. I wouldn&#8217;t even mention it. My intention was obviously to invite the readers to a conversation. And this conversation so far is anything but boring. We can agree to disagree with grace, Nadir.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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