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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/11/passwords-most-people-do-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-880140</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that the sample was flawed. Graham only analyzed the passwords that were broken by an earlier dictionary attack; i.e. just the weakest in the stolen database.

~H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that the sample was flawed. Graham only analyzed the passwords that were broken by an earlier dictionary attack; i.e. just the weakest in the stolen database.</p>
<p>~H</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: VWXYZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VWXYZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this actually made me change my Password.

Once I used one Password, its still the one I use for my very old accounts like youtube, then I moved on to a tiny bit more secure password (the new one completely eliminated social engineering option)

Now, think I&#039;ll just put the two passwords after each other! And problem solved. For high priority sites (with bank account accesses) I&#039;ll throw in a number or five. I already use a modificed version of my newest Password on my PlayStation Network account (remember, it have accesses to my bank account) And I don&#039;t see anyone easily break that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this actually made me change my Password.</p>
<p>Once I used one Password, its still the one I use for my very old accounts like youtube, then I moved on to a tiny bit more secure password (the new one completely eliminated social engineering option)</p>
<p>Now, think I&#8217;ll just put the two passwords after each other! And problem solved. For high priority sites (with bank account accesses) I&#8217;ll throw in a number or five. I already use a modificed version of my newest Password on my PlayStation Network account (remember, it have accesses to my bank account) And I don&#8217;t see anyone easily break that one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: graphicmist</title>
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		<dc:creator>graphicmist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people here said they use some password manager app for storing their passwords. i think its the best practice but what if u have to acess ur account from some other pc or from some other place then ur password manager is not there.

And criticizing openid is not valid. there is a risk of phising in openid but at the same time it give you facility to log in in various websites by remembering single password. now what u can do is make that pass as strong as possible. have u checked the openid of yahoo ...its like openid.yahoo.com/213ghkagsdiu21312 some random number which is not easy to hack. so the open id providers are doing their best to protect ur accounts. 

&quot; If i put by computer switched off, surrounded by thick concrete walls in a box of heavy metal kept in a high security room through which even a insect can&#039;t pass through, fully vacuumed even then i have my doubt&#039;s... &quot;

Nothing is safe in this world you can only take precautions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people here said they use some password manager app for storing their passwords. i think its the best practice but what if u have to acess ur account from some other pc or from some other place then ur password manager is not there.</p>
<p>And criticizing openid is not valid. there is a risk of phising in openid but at the same time it give you facility to log in in various websites by remembering single password. now what u can do is make that pass as strong as possible. have u checked the openid of yahoo &#8230;its like openid.yahoo.com/213ghkagsdiu21312 some random number which is not easy to hack. so the open id providers are doing their best to protect ur accounts. </p>
<p>&#8221; If i put by computer switched off, surrounded by thick concrete walls in a box of heavy metal kept in a high security room through which even a insect can&#8217;t pass through, fully vacuumed even then i have my doubt&#8217;s&#8230; &#8220;</p>
<p>Nothing is safe in this world you can only take precautions.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: anynamewilldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>anynamewilldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem begins with all sites wanting you to register. This forces people to create bad passwords. In my case, I have to sign up for something almost daily. Everyone wants my name, email, dob, etc. Information I give to no one. (Why do they even ask this information when they know 90% of people are giving fake info?) So I use Roboform. It creates an identity for me...fake name, fake address, fake phone and a junk email account and a simple password and fills it all in automatically. I think studying passwords from sites like this or cnn.com are useless. No one is trying to break into your cnn account, and even if they did, it wouldn&#039;t matter to you. I think studying the security of banking passwords would give you a better idea of what people use as their REAL password. 

And it is very irritating when sites tell me my password isn&#039;t strong enough. I know it&#039;s not. And I&#039;m fine with that. I have had sites so restrictive that it took me a 1/2 hour to come up with a password. Just so I could forget it everytime I needed it and have to spend an hour resetting it and coming up with a new one. This only forces you to write down the password in multiple locations and store it on your hard drive. Hardly safe if it&#039;s an important account. One site,I kid you not, took me 2 hours to come up with an &quot;acceptable&quot; password. The password it finally took? 

90457$Any_Fuc_king_Pass_w0rd_Will_D0$2183</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem begins with all sites wanting you to register. This forces people to create bad passwords. In my case, I have to sign up for something almost daily. Everyone wants my name, email, dob, etc. Information I give to no one. (Why do they even ask this information when they know 90% of people are giving fake info?) So I use Roboform. It creates an identity for me&#8230;fake name, fake address, fake phone and a junk email account and a simple password and fills it all in automatically. I think studying passwords from sites like this or cnn.com are useless. No one is trying to break into your cnn account, and even if they did, it wouldn&#8217;t matter to you. I think studying the security of banking passwords would give you a better idea of what people use as their REAL password. </p>
<p>And it is very irritating when sites tell me my password isn&#8217;t strong enough. I know it&#8217;s not. And I&#8217;m fine with that. I have had sites so restrictive that it took me a 1/2 hour to come up with a password. Just so I could forget it everytime I needed it and have to spend an hour resetting it and coming up with a new one. This only forces you to write down the password in multiple locations and store it on your hard drive. Hardly safe if it&#8217;s an important account. One site,I kid you not, took me 2 hours to come up with an &#8220;acceptable&#8221; password. The password it finally took? </p>
<p>90457$Any_Fuc_king_Pass_w0rd_Will_D0$2183</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bonh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just write my passwords in another language. Problem solved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just write my passwords in another language. Problem solved!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dafark8</title>
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		<dc:creator>dafark8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ways to make a secure password:

Make a root password and an additional site-specific variable. 

I don&#039;t trust one source to store all of my passwords, and I dont trust using one password for everything. My simple, but I believe elegant solution, and I cannot find the resource where I initially discovered this, is to make a root password with a variable. 

By this I mean make your password: 

MagicSiteWordPoint for sitepoint, 

MagicFaceWordBook for facebook, 

MagicTwitterWord for twitter and so on. 

I actually have a handful of roots and methods of adding variables depending on the site in question, but since i switched to this method i have never needed to request a forgotten password... rather then try to be clever about a uniqe password, i know my root and can guess in 2-3 tries what i made the variable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ways to make a secure password:</p>
<p>Make a root password and an additional site-specific variable. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t trust one source to store all of my passwords, and I dont trust using one password for everything. My simple, but I believe elegant solution, and I cannot find the resource where I initially discovered this, is to make a root password with a variable. </p>
<p>By this I mean make your password: </p>
<p>MagicSiteWordPoint for sitepoint, </p>
<p>MagicFaceWordBook for facebook, </p>
<p>MagicTwitterWord for twitter and so on. </p>
<p>I actually have a handful of roots and methods of adding variables depending on the site in question, but since i switched to this method i have never needed to request a forgotten password&#8230; rather then try to be clever about a uniqe password, i know my root and can guess in 2-3 tries what i made the variable.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dr John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to use one of four passwords for all low level things like forums, and much more complex ones for things that really need to be secure.

This went wrong last year when some forum (or special offer web site) may have had its user/password list cracked as the spare email account I use for signing into some forums / special offers was hacked - because I stupidly used the same password on it when I first set it up many years ago!  10,000 or more spams were sent out in one batch before the ISP closed the email account for excessive use.


One trick I&#039;ve used is to combine two dictionary words - but words from DIFFERENT languages.  This can be very easy to remember, but can easily have 12 - 14 characters, which makes brute force attacks harder.

The stupidest use of passwords was at a college where I taught - ALL new users were given changeme as the password.  You can imagine the chaos when the students realised this.  AND at the end of term you were told to change the password. And if you didn&#039;t, it was changed back to, yes, you guessed it, changeme, after the first week or so of the holiday.  So during the holidays, and summer in particular, you could enter almost any student&#039;s account, but especially those of students who were leaving and so didn&#039;t bother to change anything (all accounts stayed active until the next academic year started).

The IT dept thought this one up, as a security idea to force students to change passwords regularly...
Not one of their best ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to use one of four passwords for all low level things like forums, and much more complex ones for things that really need to be secure.</p>
<p>This went wrong last year when some forum (or special offer web site) may have had its user/password list cracked as the spare email account I use for signing into some forums / special offers was hacked &#8211; because I stupidly used the same password on it when I first set it up many years ago!  10,000 or more spams were sent out in one batch before the ISP closed the email account for excessive use.</p>
<p>One trick I&#8217;ve used is to combine two dictionary words &#8211; but words from DIFFERENT languages.  This can be very easy to remember, but can easily have 12 &#8211; 14 characters, which makes brute force attacks harder.</p>
<p>The stupidest use of passwords was at a college where I taught &#8211; ALL new users were given changeme as the password.  You can imagine the chaos when the students realised this.  AND at the end of term you were told to change the password. And if you didn&#8217;t, it was changed back to, yes, you guessed it, changeme, after the first week or so of the holiday.  So during the holidays, and summer in particular, you could enter almost any student&#8217;s account, but especially those of students who were leaving and so didn&#8217;t bother to change anything (all accounts stayed active until the next academic year started).</p>
<p>The IT dept thought this one up, as a security idea to force students to change passwords regularly&#8230;<br />
Not one of their best ideas.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ton v. Lankveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ton v. Lankveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My method is low-tech and probably not safe, but I got a lousy memory for passwords ( and numbers and names and cryptic character combinations, but that’s an other story).

I got a HTML file with a list of links to sites which require a login. Behind every link I have listed the username and password. So it is no problem to select a unique username and password for every site.

To make the HTML file more secure, you can put it on a USB stick and only connect it to the computer if needed.

My 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My method is low-tech and probably not safe, but I got a lousy memory for passwords ( and numbers and names and cryptic character combinations, but that’s an other story).</p>
<p>I got a HTML file with a list of links to sites which require a login. Behind every link I have listed the username and password. So it is no problem to select a unique username and password for every site.</p>
<p>To make the HTML file more secure, you can put it on a USB stick and only connect it to the computer if needed.</p>
<p>My 2 cents.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lachlan Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bad memory for passwords and don&#039;t like storing them. My solution is to store them with &quot;personal encryption&quot;. For example (one I don&#039;t use!),  would be the registration number of the ford my family owned in 1948 and the date of birth of a person whose initials are given. Weirdly, I can remember things like that but not the actual password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bad memory for passwords and don&#8217;t like storing them. My solution is to store them with &#8220;personal encryption&#8221;. For example (one I don&#8217;t use!),  would be the registration number of the ford my family owned in 1948 and the date of birth of a person whose initials are given. Weirdly, I can remember things like that but not the actual password.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: chopsticks</title>
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		<dc:creator>chopsticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I base my passwords on levels of importance. Forums I just use simple short password as I couldn&#039;t care too much if my account was compromised as there is no threat to anything really important. On the other hand though, for areas such as banking or PayPal, for each institution dealing with financial stuff I have a different password, whether it be a combination of uppercase letters and numerals, or all just numerals (plus a special character in there somewhere). Other accounts such as for University have another set of passwords which are quite similar (to me) so it&#039;s easy for me to remember, but the average person would probably see no similarities. 

This way all different items based on their importance have different passwords. Sure it&#039;d be a pain by having up to 15 different passwords, but at least it&#039;s less of a pain than something important being compromised because of using the same password as a forum. Passwords aren&#039;t that hard to remember, I think it&#039;s more so which account that you have actually associated that password with which is harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I base my passwords on levels of importance. Forums I just use simple short password as I couldn&#8217;t care too much if my account was compromised as there is no threat to anything really important. On the other hand though, for areas such as banking or PayPal, for each institution dealing with financial stuff I have a different password, whether it be a combination of uppercase letters and numerals, or all just numerals (plus a special character in there somewhere). Other accounts such as for University have another set of passwords which are quite similar (to me) so it&#8217;s easy for me to remember, but the average person would probably see no similarities. </p>
<p>This way all different items based on their importance have different passwords. Sure it&#8217;d be a pain by having up to 15 different passwords, but at least it&#8217;s less of a pain than something important being compromised because of using the same password as a forum. Passwords aren&#8217;t that hard to remember, I think it&#8217;s more so which account that you have actually associated that password with which is harder.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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