Comments on: Can Closed Work for Apple This Time? http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:10:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: www.peternicholls.co.uk http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-852625 www.peternicholls.co.uk Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:05:11 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-852625 I've used macs for 18 years. I've owned 6 or 7 over that time, and my 6 year old laptop is still going running the latest OS. I don't recognize any of the gripes that the Mac haters have. And why such hate anyway? I don't get it. Argument one: you run a company and need to make a profit to stay alive and keep paying you and your staff, what would YOU do? Give away every secret? Does any one here not buy Coke or Pepsi because its not an open-source recipe?!?! I think you could think of other variations on this theme... The excitement, heck - the innovation! - comes from the cat and mouse chase on both sides! If your happy with WinTel then enjoy it (i dont tho), and *nix, however personally I think I've got the best of all worlds with my MacTel and I really do enjoy it. I run my macpro as, well, everything. Server, mail server, VNC, video editing, capture, word processing, graphics, msn, web browers, VMware windows, and its great, fast and reliable. Please dont tell me it's not, I am not saying a wintel or nix cant do this, but my mac can aswell, and it is great at it. Be kind! I’ve used macs for 18 years. I’ve owned 6 or 7 over that time, and my 6 year old laptop is still going running the latest OS. I don’t recognize any of the gripes that the Mac haters have. And why such hate anyway? I don’t get it.

Argument one: you run a company and need to make a profit to stay alive and keep paying you and your staff, what would YOU do? Give away every secret? Does any one here not buy Coke or Pepsi because its not an open-source recipe?!?! I think you could think of other variations on this theme… The excitement, heck – the innovation! – comes from the cat and mouse chase on both sides!

If your happy with WinTel then enjoy it (i dont tho), and *nix, however personally I think I’ve got the best of all worlds with my MacTel and I really do enjoy it. I run my macpro as, well, everything. Server, mail server, VNC, video editing, capture, word processing, graphics, msn, web browers, VMware windows, and its great, fast and reliable. Please dont tell me it’s not, I am not saying a wintel or nix cant do this, but my mac can aswell, and it is great at it.

Be kind!

]]> By: Hierophant http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-845868 Hierophant Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:46:04 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-845868 When Steve Jobs came back to Apple and killed the official hardware licensing program, I vowed to never buy another of their computers. So far I haven't missed anything. I have iTunes and Safari installed on my Vista computer and absolutely hate the interfaces of both. The applications that inherit my the interface of my chosen operating system are a lot better in my opinion. I always say that Windows gives the most freedom in both hardware and software choice. I can use all the open source software and all the commercial software without having to run emulators or programs that claim they aren't emulators but are... I'll stick with the more open solution instead of paying gobs of money to feed a man's ego. Granted Windows isn't as open as Linux but its a lot less annoying, at least for me. When Steve Jobs came back to Apple and killed the official hardware licensing program, I vowed to never buy another of their computers. So far I haven’t missed anything. I have iTunes and Safari installed on my Vista computer and absolutely hate the interfaces of both. The applications that inherit my the interface of my chosen operating system are a lot better in my opinion.

I always say that Windows gives the most freedom in both hardware and software choice. I can use all the open source software and all the commercial software without having to run emulators or programs that claim they aren’t emulators but are…

I’ll stick with the more open solution instead of paying gobs of money to feed a man’s ego. Granted Windows isn’t as open as Linux but its a lot less annoying, at least for me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-845506 Anonymous Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:43:41 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-845506 It's ridiculous to talk about openness between MS and Apple. Like somebody mentioned it's Linux that is open. Stability is achievable by many means. The thing is you have a single mac, provided by apple (in different flavors), and you have a millions of combination of random hardware available for the PC, not all combination are stable people! Want a cool stable system, with nice user interface that just works? PAY, for a mac, for a well built PC, for software that is tested to work with it, the key word is *PAY*, pay much, much than it's worth it, and go worship the company for providing you with a good solutions. No offense, but worshiping a company that charges you much more than it needs you is just plain silly, and making excuses that this is a needed level or a philosophy is eaven more sillier. Personally : i made up a Pc of components, installed Linux. How much time did it take? it took some time ... but it's worth it! You are not technical enough, or you don't want to spend time, you show the MONEY, it's that simple, but again, no offense, worshiping a company pr another for it is <b> stupid</b>. It’s ridiculous to talk about openness between MS and Apple. Like somebody mentioned it’s Linux that is open. Stability is achievable by many means. The thing is you have a single mac, provided by apple (in different flavors), and you have a millions of combination of random hardware available for the PC, not all combination are stable people! Want a cool stable system, with nice user interface that just works? PAY, for a mac, for a well built PC, for software that is tested to work with it, the key word is *PAY*, pay much, much than it’s worth it, and go worship the company for providing you with a good solutions. No offense, but worshiping a company that charges you much more than it needs you is just plain silly, and making excuses that this is a needed level or a philosophy is eaven more sillier. Personally : i made up a Pc of components, installed Linux. How much time did it take? it took some time … but it’s worth it! You are not technical enough, or you don’t want to spend time, you show the MONEY, it’s that simple, but again, no offense, worshiping a company pr another for it is stupid.

]]> By: Jordan West http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-845385 Jordan West Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:04:18 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-845385 A big difference between now and the 1970s: Millions of people already own the iPhone. A big difference between now and the 1970s: Millions of people already own the iPhone.

]]> By: AzzX http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844964 AzzX Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:15:28 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844964 I can build a PC. Not Allowed to build a Mac - enough said. I can build a PC. Not Allowed to build a Mac – enough said.

]]> By: ultimazer1 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844925 ultimazer1 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:44:01 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844925 @macpet: Exactly! ...and now let history prove what we said about Apple :) ** It'll be interesting how they react to the current economic crisis and I wouldn't mind them making things a little cheaper...but price also symbolizes "value" and "quality" (and that's what they want to convey) so I guess they will stick to their current attitude. oh, and to those who say their MACs crash and hardware fails: of course there are always some machines/parts that fail. In case of Apple products this is totally blown out of proportion though, as if one in five macs/iPods would fail one day after warranty ended. Because MACs hardly ever crash these single cases out of Millions of Apple customers are then perceived as "really bad quality" or whatever. Geez, my PC crashed on me once a day. My MAC never does except when I try really really hard by firing up all Apps I got at the same time or whatever. Cheers @macpet:
Exactly! …and now let history prove what we said about Apple :)

**

It’ll be interesting how they react to the current economic crisis and I wouldn’t mind them making things a little cheaper…but price also symbolizes “value” and “quality” (and that’s what they want to convey) so I guess they will stick to their current attitude.

oh, and to those who say their MACs crash and hardware fails: of course there are always some machines/parts that fail. In case of Apple products this is totally blown out of proportion though, as if one in five macs/iPods would fail one day after warranty ended. Because MACs hardly ever crash these single cases out of Millions of Apple customers are then perceived as “really bad quality” or whatever.

Geez, my PC crashed on me once a day. My MAC never does except when I try really really hard by firing up all Apps I got at the same time or whatever.

Cheers

]]> By: DC79 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844879 DC79 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:04:28 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844879 I think the close/open source argument with respect to both Apple and Microsoft in one that feels drain out a bit. Anyone looking for a complete open source platform may go run over to Linux. End of story. People need to understand that we life in a capitalist consumer society which means that competition and business advantages are part of it. I have no problem with apple being close, as I am a web & print designer and Apple machines work out just fine for by business solutions. My friend Al who is a programmer tell me that you can code into OS X using X code, Cocoa and even Java. So there yo have it.. DC I think the close/open source argument with respect to both Apple and Microsoft in one that feels drain out a bit. Anyone looking for a complete open source platform may go run over to Linux. End of story. People need to understand that we life in a capitalist consumer society which means that competition and business advantages are part of it. I have no problem with apple being close, as I am a web & print designer and Apple machines work out just fine for by business solutions. My friend Al who is a programmer tell me that you can code into OS X using X code, Cocoa and even Java. So there yo have it..

DC

]]> By: Spankie http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844875 Spankie Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:34:15 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844875 How exactly is MS more open? WMA, WMV, Direct X, IE, Plays-For-Sure, Janus, etc., etc., etc. Windows itself is the most closed OS on the planet. Apple is embracing plenty of industry standard formats & protocols. MS does so kicking & screaming. If MS didn't have it's ass handed to it in the music arena there would be no room for anyone else to play. Apple is not stopping anyone from building hardware or software. MS needs to operate from a monopoly position. If they have to compete on a level playing field...they lose. How exactly is MS more open? WMA, WMV, Direct X, IE, Plays-For-Sure, Janus, etc., etc., etc. Windows itself is the most closed OS on the planet.
Apple is embracing plenty of industry standard formats & protocols. MS does so kicking & screaming. If MS didn’t have it’s ass handed to it in the
music arena there would be no room for anyone else to play. Apple is not stopping anyone from building hardware or software. MS needs to operate
from a monopoly position. If they have to compete on a level playing field…they lose.

]]> By: AdamC http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844753 AdamC Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:03:36 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844753 All those who comment as if they are macusers have never touch a mac in their lives. I don't believe they know what they were talking about about apps crash 3 -4 times a day or the hard disk crashed after warranty - who are you guys trying to bull. The Apple system is the way to go, fast OS and pretty soon with graphic cards good enough for the gamers and the iPhone and iPod touch will continue to evolve and improve. And the most important factors that will put the iPhone ahead of its competitors is the apps store with its 10,000 apps and counting.. And with $25B in the kitty Apple will innovate much much better than all its competitors. The Apple of today is not the bungling and fumbling one of yesteryear. All those who comment as if they are macusers have never touch a mac in their lives. I don’t believe they know what they were talking about about apps crash 3 -4 times a day or the hard disk crashed after warranty – who are you guys trying to bull.
The Apple system is the way to go, fast OS and pretty soon with graphic cards good enough for the gamers and the iPhone and iPod touch will continue to evolve and improve. And the most important factors that will put the iPhone ahead of its competitors is the apps store with its 10,000 apps and counting.. And with $25B in the kitty Apple will innovate much much better than all its competitors. The Apple of today is not the bungling and fumbling one of yesteryear.

]]> By: AzzX http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/05/can-closed-work-for-apple-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-844692 AzzX Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:17:07 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3252#comment-844692 I get paid to Use Macs and I can tell you - They do not just work. Any closed form of hardware and media always has issues with solutions ALWAYS costing $$$. If your fine with this so be it. And to think the Android platform is only a buzzword amongst the Technorati crowd is very misinformed. As a positive, I suppose having a Closed company like Apple around causes gems like http://getsongbird.com/ to be created. I get paid to Use Macs and I can tell you – They do not just work. Any closed form of hardware and media always has issues with solutions ALWAYS costing $$$. If your fine with this so be it. And to think the Android platform is only a buzzword amongst the Technorati crowd is very misinformed. As a positive, I suppose having a Closed company like Apple around causes gems like http://getsongbird.com/ to be created.

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