Comments on: When Citizen Journalism Attacks: CNN Gaffe Causes Stock Drop http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:35:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Black Max http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803621 Black Max Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:38:20 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803621 Best not to believe CNN or Fox unless you've gotten independent verification from several sources. Over time, I've come to trust some reporters on an individual basis, as opposed to the outlets they write for. Hersh at the New Yorker, Landay and Strobel for McClatchy, Priest at the Washington Post, Singel at Wired, all have good track records in my mind. Best not to believe CNN or Fox unless you’ve gotten independent verification from several sources. Over time, I’ve come to trust some reporters on an individual basis, as opposed to the outlets they write for. Hersh at the New Yorker, Landay and Strobel for McClatchy, Priest at the Washington Post, Singel at Wired, all have good track records in my mind.

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By: Sagewing http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803347 Sagewing Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:58:46 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803347 <blockquote>I’m going to Austria to do a presentation on citizen journalism (among other topics to be covered), and after I return, I’ll have the presentation available for posting on the Web. If you’re interested, drop me a line and I’ll send you the link when it becomes available.</blockquote> Certainly the peer review needs to be extensive. Your point is well taken - there are obviously degrees between 'professional reporting' and 'citizen reporting'. I think of it as wild, unchecked, unsourced reporting by anyone with an email address but I suppose that's a bit unfair :) Sure, I'd love to take a look at what you're working on. <blockquote>I never believe what CNN says. What it said about wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is merely some fabricated stories. I’ll check other media if necessary. Only bloody idiot will believe in CNN.</blockquote> Well, someone could say that about Fox and we'd be back to the old partisan bickering. Better to stick to the topic.

I’m going to Austria to do a presentation on citizen journalism (among other topics to be covered), and after I return, I’ll have the presentation available for posting on the Web. If you’re interested, drop me a line and I’ll send you the link when it becomes available.

Certainly the peer review needs to be extensive. Your point is well taken – there are obviously degrees between ‘professional reporting’ and ‘citizen reporting’. I think of it as wild, unchecked, unsourced reporting by anyone with an email address but I suppose that’s a bit unfair :)

Sure, I’d love to take a look at what you’re working on.

I never believe what CNN says. What it said about wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is merely some fabricated stories. I’ll check other media if necessary.
Only bloody idiot will believe in CNN.

Well, someone could say that about Fox and we’d be back to the old partisan bickering. Better to stick to the topic.

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By: mingz http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803327 mingz Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:40:27 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803327 I never believe what CNN says. What it said about wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is merely some fabricated stories. I'll check other media if necessary. Only bloody idiot will believe in CNN. I never believe what CNN says. What it said about wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is merely some fabricated stories. I’ll check other media if necessary.
Only bloody idiot will believe in CNN.

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By: Black Max http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803213 Black Max Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:28:56 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803213 <blockquote>Citizen journalism is always doomed to fail, just as citizen web design or citizen plumbing would fail, too.</blockquote> I absolutely disagree, and there are plenty of examples out there to prove my contention, including the site for which I write and do research. But, there is plenty of room to foul up in citizen reporting, and the monitoring and peer review needs to be strict and extensive. I'm going to Austria to do a presentation on citizen journalism (among other topics to be covered), and after I return, I'll have the presentation available for posting on the Web. If you're interested, drop me a line and I'll send you the link when it becomes available.

Citizen journalism is always doomed to fail, just as citizen web design or citizen plumbing would fail, too.

I absolutely disagree, and there are plenty of examples out there to prove my contention, including the site for which I write and do research. But, there is plenty of room to foul up in citizen reporting, and the monitoring and peer review needs to be strict and extensive.

I’m going to Austria to do a presentation on citizen journalism (among other topics to be covered), and after I return, I’ll have the presentation available for posting on the Web. If you’re interested, drop me a line and I’ll send you the link when it becomes available.

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By: Sagewing http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803148 Sagewing Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:56:29 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803148 Citizen journalism is always doomed to fail, just as citizen web design or citizen plumbing would fail, too. Why is it that people think that if they take some kind of twisted populist approach to journalism it will somehow self-correct and rise to any kind of standard? Sure, there are folks from the blogosphere that gain notoriety but blogs and the internet are just a new medium so the people who get noticed are STILL those who do great work, great research, have great style, or otherwise have something to offer. Of course, there are the occasional Cinderella stories and from time to time the blogging community makes a contribution to the media world (a useful one). But, the whole concept of citizen journalism seems flawed. When I tune into a media outlet I am looking for some kind professional standard to be met, and I'm skeptical enough about that happening with a big network to begin with! Citizen journalism is always doomed to fail, just as citizen web design or citizen plumbing would fail, too. Why is it that people think that if they take some kind of twisted populist approach to journalism it will somehow self-correct and rise to any kind of standard?

Sure, there are folks from the blogosphere that gain notoriety but blogs and the internet are just a new medium so the people who get noticed are STILL those who do great work, great research, have great style, or otherwise have something to offer.

Of course, there are the occasional Cinderella stories and from time to time the blogging community makes a contribution to the media world (a useful one). But, the whole concept of citizen journalism seems flawed. When I tune into a media outlet I am looking for some kind professional standard to be met, and I’m skeptical enough about that happening with a big network to begin with!

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By: tweetip http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803117 tweetip Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:15:31 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803117 1st Tweets ~ Steve Jobs Heart Attack ~ Timeline/Chart... http://tweetip.us/lkq3e 1st Tweets ~ Steve Jobs Heart Attack ~ Timeline/Chart… http://tweetip.us/lkq3e

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By: Josh Catone http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803063 Josh Catone Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:12:27 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803063 @Jon: It's what we in the business call a typo. ;) Thanks, though, I've fixed it. (Ironically, I clearly didn't take enough time to breathe and check my post before posting since I missed that typing error.) @Jon: It’s what we in the business call a typo. ;) Thanks, though, I’ve fixed it.

(Ironically, I clearly didn’t take enough time to breathe and check my post before posting since I missed that typing error.)

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By: Black Max http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803050 Black Max Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:41:16 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803050 The problem is not just misinformation. That is rife within "professional" media as well as in citizen journalism outlets. In this case, it's the fact that the stock market acts like a hysterical 7th grade girl with the vapors. (More accurately, the people who comprise the stock market.) One single story sends them into a tizzy. What, someone said Steve Jobs had a heart attack? Agh, run like crazy to sell stock! The US Congress might not drop $700 billion on us in free money? Sell, sell, sell! Any and all journalism needs to be reviewed before it is posted as factual news. But Perez unfairly uses the issue of the erroneous Apple reporting to blast citizen journalism as a whole. Want some examples of erroneous professional journalism? Review the 2002 and 2003 articles by Judith Miller and Michael Gordon in the New York Times for some dead-wrong reporting that had even more impact than CNN's blunder. Josh, you're right in that journalists in general need to "[t]ake some time to make sure we get the facts straight rather than rushing to be the first to publish a story," but in the increasingly zero-sum world of journalistic competition, that will never happen. The problem is not just misinformation. That is rife within “professional” media as well as in citizen journalism outlets. In this case, it’s the fact that the stock market acts like a hysterical 7th grade girl with the vapors. (More accurately, the people who comprise the stock market.) One single story sends them into a tizzy. What, someone said Steve Jobs had a heart attack? Agh, run like crazy to sell stock! The US Congress might not drop $700 billion on us in free money? Sell, sell, sell!

Any and all journalism needs to be reviewed before it is posted as factual news. But Perez unfairly uses the issue of the erroneous Apple reporting to blast citizen journalism as a whole. Want some examples of erroneous professional journalism? Review the 2002 and 2003 articles by Judith Miller and Michael Gordon in the New York Times for some dead-wrong reporting that had even more impact than CNN’s blunder.

Josh, you’re right in that journalists in general need to “[t]ake some time to make sure we get the facts straight rather than rushing to be the first to publish a story,” but in the increasingly zero-sum world of journalistic competition, that will never happen.

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By: Jon http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803049 Jon Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:28:53 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803049 What's a <blockquote>hard attack</blockquote>? What’s a
hard attack

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By: halfasleeps http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/10/04/when-citizen-journalism-attacks-cnn-gaffe-causes-stock-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-803043 halfasleeps Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:14:01 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3056#comment-803043 wrong information spreads faster today yeah, but so do retractions don't they? wrong information spreads faster today yeah, but so do retractions don’t they?

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