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	<title>Comments on: Would You Switch To IE8?</title>
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		<title>By: robinko</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/08/29/would-you-switch-to-ie8/comment-page-2/#comment-872407</link>
		<dc:creator>robinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I test IE8 for a few day in many web site, I think it faster than older all IE. But many web have some missing appearance(shift some pixel out screen) Also included my web too.
I&#039;m youngster for web blog development and find the hack of CSS for IE8 for fix this problem but still not found it.
For example hack CSS of some IE7-
 
IE6+ quirks and IE5 (= all IE/Win quirks)
* html selector { property /**/: value; }

IE7 only
*+html selector { property: value; }

IE8 only ----&gt; how to used it
Who know this please help me?
Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I test IE8 for a few day in many web site, I think it faster than older all IE. But many web have some missing appearance(shift some pixel out screen) Also included my web too.<br />
I&#8217;m youngster for web blog development and find the hack of CSS for IE8 for fix this problem but still not found it.<br />
For example hack CSS of some IE7-</p>
<p>IE6+ quirks and IE5 (= all IE/Win quirks)<br />
* html selector { property /**/: value; }</p>
<p>IE7 only<br />
*+html selector { property: value; }</p>
<p>IE8 only &#8212;-&gt; how to used it<br />
Who know this please help me?<br />
Thank you</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Barry34785</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/08/29/would-you-switch-to-ie8/comment-page-2/#comment-792457</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry34785</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  Hell No!  IE8 is from Microsoft and for that reason alone is why you should use it.  FireFox will always kick IE A$$ no matter how many security patches Microsoft comes out with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Hell No!  IE8 is from Microsoft and for that reason alone is why you should use it.  FireFox will always kick IE A$$ no matter how many security patches Microsoft comes out with.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tehgamecat</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehgamecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the standard layout of a car? 2 seats front 3 back? Yep. Why? Because that&#039;s the majority of cars and the standard layout. If a &quot;standards authority&quot; told me 5 seats up front was better and I built a car with 5 seats up front my car would be described as using a non-standard layout.

Go ahead and post the stats for those demographics. Go look up the standard browser for businesses as well, I&#039;d love to see that.

IE is not chosen for enterprise apps because it integrates with other Microsoft products. IE is chosen because it is stable, and viewed as the STANDARD browser used by most people and companies. When building commercial web apps the question asked is: which browser is used by most people? Answer: IE, ok we&#039;ll build this for IE. Know the market. 

Onto point 4. It&#039;s true what you say. But again, css3 and html5 are standards created by a 3rd party body. IE is STILL the actual standard. 

Regarding point 5, go build your corporate web app to run only on firefox then and see if you get paid. Business decisions drive the usage of IE or FireFox for a large area of paid web development, that is the market of relevance and that is why IE is the standard. Am I talking about usability? Nope. Am I talking about demographics? Maybe, in the sense that IE is used by more people  globally and is the standard for the corporate world in terms of numbers, but then that&#039;s the whole point isnt it.

As a further point Firefox has become a realistic contender outside of businesses but should be given the same level of possible integration with Windows - that would definitely take it up a notch and make it viable across the board. That is where MS have been closely protecting IE, and wrongly so in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the standard layout of a car? 2 seats front 3 back? Yep. Why? Because that&#8217;s the majority of cars and the standard layout. If a &#8220;standards authority&#8221; told me 5 seats up front was better and I built a car with 5 seats up front my car would be described as using a non-standard layout.</p>
<p>Go ahead and post the stats for those demographics. Go look up the standard browser for businesses as well, I&#8217;d love to see that.</p>
<p>IE is not chosen for enterprise apps because it integrates with other Microsoft products. IE is chosen because it is stable, and viewed as the STANDARD browser used by most people and companies. When building commercial web apps the question asked is: which browser is used by most people? Answer: IE, ok we&#8217;ll build this for IE. Know the market. </p>
<p>Onto point 4. It&#8217;s true what you say. But again, css3 and html5 are standards created by a 3rd party body. IE is STILL the actual standard. </p>
<p>Regarding point 5, go build your corporate web app to run only on firefox then and see if you get paid. Business decisions drive the usage of IE or FireFox for a large area of paid web development, that is the market of relevance and that is why IE is the standard. Am I talking about usability? Nope. Am I talking about demographics? Maybe, in the sense that IE is used by more people  globally and is the standard for the corporate world in terms of numbers, but then that&#8217;s the whole point isnt it.</p>
<p>As a further point Firefox has become a realistic contender outside of businesses but should be given the same level of possible integration with Windows &#8211; that would definitely take it up a notch and make it viable across the board. That is where MS have been closely protecting IE, and wrongly so in my opinion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dougoftheabaci</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/08/29/would-you-switch-to-ie8/comment-page-2/#comment-791919</link>
		<dc:creator>dougoftheabaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tehgamecat:

First, IE is not the standard. Standards aren&#039;t based on the majority, they are based on best practice. By that IE isn&#039;t even on the ballot.

Second, IE isn&#039;t the majority in every demographic, nor is it the majority in general for some nations or regions.

Third, enterprise applications run on IE because it integrates the most with other Microsoft products and thus of a benefit for them to use. Also, at the time of many of their developments, IE was a was not only the vast majority in all respects but also wasn&#039;t so pathetically far behind.

Fourth, IE8 is not a leap in many respects at all. While it may fix some of the wrongs of IE7 it doesn&#039;t go too far towards righting many other wrongs. It&#039;s JavaScript support is still horrible and it&#039;s barely got any CSS3 or HTML5 support where other browsers are quickly approaching full support.

And fifth, business sense has almost nothing to do with development. They are two separate parts of the creation of anything, be it an application or website. What you&#039;re talking about is demographics and usability. But thank you for trying all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tehgamecat:</p>
<p>First, IE is not the standard. Standards aren&#8217;t based on the majority, they are based on best practice. By that IE isn&#8217;t even on the ballot.</p>
<p>Second, IE isn&#8217;t the majority in every demographic, nor is it the majority in general for some nations or regions.</p>
<p>Third, enterprise applications run on IE because it integrates the most with other Microsoft products and thus of a benefit for them to use. Also, at the time of many of their developments, IE was a was not only the vast majority in all respects but also wasn&#8217;t so pathetically far behind.</p>
<p>Fourth, IE8 is not a leap in many respects at all. While it may fix some of the wrongs of IE7 it doesn&#8217;t go too far towards righting many other wrongs. It&#8217;s JavaScript support is still horrible and it&#8217;s barely got any CSS3 or HTML5 support where other browsers are quickly approaching full support.</p>
<p>And fifth, business sense has almost nothing to do with development. They are two separate parts of the creation of anything, be it an application or website. What you&#8217;re talking about is demographics and usability. But thank you for trying all the same.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tehgamecat</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehgamecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so you lot understand, the standard in web browsing is IE. Get this through your heads please. Why do you think the majority of corporate web based applications are coded for IE? GEE it&#039;s because it the STANDARD. IE8 should be a good leap and thankfully they&#039;ve taken a good lead from the trailblazing done by module devs on FF and others. 

It is just so funny to see the &quot;I am a web dev&quot; and &quot;I&#039;ll never us IE&quot;. Typical geeks, no business sense AT ALL. Know your market, it is IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you lot understand, the standard in web browsing is IE. Get this through your heads please. Why do you think the majority of corporate web based applications are coded for IE? GEE it&#8217;s because it the STANDARD. IE8 should be a good leap and thankfully they&#8217;ve taken a good lead from the trailblazing done by module devs on FF and others. </p>
<p>It is just so funny to see the &#8220;I am a web dev&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;ll never us IE&#8221;. Typical geeks, no business sense AT ALL. Know your market, it is IE.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rakesh Sivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rakesh Sivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty very much okay with my Firefox 2+ and its bunch of extensions. Then why should I think of a shift :-)

No chance of selecting IE8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty very much okay with my Firefox 2+ and its bunch of extensions. Then why should I think of a shift :-)</p>
<p>No chance of selecting IE8</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dougoftheabaci</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougoftheabaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, see that I would find very surprising. Chrome is based on WebKit, which blows IE out of the water. It uses Squirrel Fish as it&#039;s JavaScript render engine which is a great deal faster than Firefox. WebKit, as many of you likely know, is the open source engine that powers Safari and a few other lesser-known browsers like Shiira.

I wonder if Google is using the latest version? I don&#039;t see why not. Though, after reading the article I get the feeling they&#039;re a bit pro-IE from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, see that I would find very surprising. Chrome is based on WebKit, which blows IE out of the water. It uses Squirrel Fish as it&#8217;s JavaScript render engine which is a great deal faster than Firefox. WebKit, as many of you likely know, is the open source engine that powers Safari and a few other lesser-known browsers like Shiira.</p>
<p>I wonder if Google is using the latest version? I don&#8217;t see why not. Though, after reading the article I get the feeling they&#8217;re a bit pro-IE from the start.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RealUser</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealUser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wow!  IE8 outperformed FF and Google Chrome!  Shocking!&lt;/strong&gt;

quoting the review:

&quot;So which one comes out smelling like roses? The beta of Internet Explorer 8, released just last week.

When playing a YouTube video, Firefox 3 took up 95 percent of the CPU time on a three-year old laptop running Windows XP.

Chrome came in at 60 percent — still too much. Especially since Google owns YouTube! You&#039;d think it could make its browser work well with that site in particular.

Internet Explorer barely broke a sweat, taking up just a few percent.

When I told each browser to load eight pages, some of which were heavy with Flash and graphics, Firefox took 17 seconds and ended with a continuous CPU load of 50 percent. That means it took up half of my available processing power, even if I wasn&#039;t looking at any of the pages.

Chrome loaded them the fastest, at 12 seconds, and ended with a CPU load of about 40 percent.

Internet Explorer 8 took 13 seconds to load, but ended with no CPU load at all.

... I&#039;d recommend giving the new Internet Explorer a spin.&quot;


&quot;Review: Google Chrome lacks polish under the hood&quot;
http://license.icopyright.net/user/viewContent.act?tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id=D92VDTJ00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wow!  IE8 outperformed FF and Google Chrome!  Shocking!</strong></p>
<p>quoting the review:</p>
<p>&#8220;So which one comes out smelling like roses? The beta of Internet Explorer 8, released just last week.</p>
<p>When playing a YouTube video, Firefox 3 took up 95 percent of the CPU time on a three-year old laptop running Windows XP.</p>
<p>Chrome came in at 60 percent — still too much. Especially since Google owns YouTube! You&#8217;d think it could make its browser work well with that site in particular.</p>
<p>Internet Explorer barely broke a sweat, taking up just a few percent.</p>
<p>When I told each browser to load eight pages, some of which were heavy with Flash and graphics, Firefox took 17 seconds and ended with a continuous CPU load of 50 percent. That means it took up half of my available processing power, even if I wasn&#8217;t looking at any of the pages.</p>
<p>Chrome loaded them the fastest, at 12 seconds, and ended with a CPU load of about 40 percent.</p>
<p>Internet Explorer 8 took 13 seconds to load, but ended with no CPU load at all.</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;d recommend giving the new Internet Explorer a spin.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Review: Google Chrome lacks polish under the hood&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://license.icopyright.net/user/viewContent.act?tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id=D92VDTJ00" rel="nofollow">http://license.icopyright.net/user/viewContent.act?tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id=D92VDTJ00</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I&#039;ve been using Firefox since it was called &lt;em&gt;Firebird&lt;/em&gt; and I&#039;ve yet to find a decent reason to ditch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I&#8217;ve been using Firefox since it was called <em>Firebird</em> and I&#8217;ve yet to find a decent reason to ditch it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tlhallums</title>
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		<dc:creator>tlhallums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I wouldn&#039;t. Firefox has sufficed my web browsing needs and Safari &amp; Opera have been perfect standards-compliant backups. 

I just hope that IE8 (and even IE7) completely overtake the IE6 that is still being used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t. Firefox has sufficed my web browsing needs and Safari &amp; Opera have been perfect standards-compliant backups. </p>
<p>I just hope that IE8 (and even IE7) completely overtake the IE6 that is still being used.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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