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	<title>Comments on: W3C Releases Mobile Web Best Practices</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Nalts</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/07/30/w3c-releases-mobile-web-best-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-801167</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tera-wurfl is your friend, use it to detect all kinds of device capabilities whilst keeping overhead low: http://www.tera-wurfl.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tera-wurfl is your friend, use it to detect all kinds of device capabilities whilst keeping overhead low: <a href="http://www.tera-wurfl.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tera-wurfl.com/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ntcBos</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/07/30/w3c-releases-mobile-web-best-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-771067</link>
		<dc:creator>ntcBos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been in mobile site development, I can tell you there is no standard way of displaying content (images, text, etc.) on mobile devices. They all vary and they all handle html (or xhtml or CSS) in different ways. (Think back to the days of the Netscape and IE display wars.) 

Some phones won&#039;t display a page with more than 10KB of data on a page (the outputted html - minus images and externally linked files like CSS files). Others don&#039;t understand CSS padding/margins no matter what you do (cough... Blackberrys... cough). While others display everything perfectly.

The key to mobile site development is testing, testing, testing. Get the top mobile devices that are used to visit your site and build the code around those to start. (And yes, the carrier does make a difference as well as the specific model numbers.) Then refine things for other popular handsets. 

Another key to mobile site development is you can&#039;t just shrink down your site to show everything on the mobile web page. It&#039;s all about tailoring what content (images, text, etc.) that your mobile audience will see. An editorial eye is needed. 

As far as mobile site design, make sure the logo/images/layout of the site take into consideration the standard phone display sizes (which can be found in Sitepoint&#039;s &quot;Designing for the Mobile Web&quot; article).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been in mobile site development, I can tell you there is no standard way of displaying content (images, text, etc.) on mobile devices. They all vary and they all handle html (or xhtml or CSS) in different ways. (Think back to the days of the Netscape and IE display wars.) </p>
<p>Some phones won&#8217;t display a page with more than 10KB of data on a page (the outputted html &#8211; minus images and externally linked files like CSS files). Others don&#8217;t understand CSS padding/margins no matter what you do (cough&#8230; Blackberrys&#8230; cough). While others display everything perfectly.</p>
<p>The key to mobile site development is testing, testing, testing. Get the top mobile devices that are used to visit your site and build the code around those to start. (And yes, the carrier does make a difference as well as the specific model numbers.) Then refine things for other popular handsets. </p>
<p>Another key to mobile site development is you can&#8217;t just shrink down your site to show everything on the mobile web page. It&#8217;s all about tailoring what content (images, text, etc.) that your mobile audience will see. An editorial eye is needed. </p>
<p>As far as mobile site design, make sure the logo/images/layout of the site take into consideration the standard phone display sizes (which can be found in Sitepoint&#8217;s &#8220;Designing for the Mobile Web&#8221; article).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stevie D</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/07/30/w3c-releases-mobile-web-best-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-770938</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevie D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What strikes me here is that it is going to be impossible for the average web designer to achieve everything in the Mobile Web guidelines as well as the normal accessibility guidelines.

The frequent use of &quot;if the device supports it&quot; is a big sticking point for me. This means we are going to have to have an exhaustive list of devices and their capabilities, and serve different content to each. This is an absolute killer for small companies and small websites. There is no way that I am going to learn how to distinguish between device clients that support external stylesheets, those that support internal stylesheets only, those that don&#039;t support any stylesheets, and then send each of them a different version of the page.

At 36KB, this page (before any comments are added) is several times larger than should be served to mobile users - that means we are not going to get away with hiding content in handheld.css, we are going to have to serve different content. Yes, that may work for big sites, but for most sites it just isn&#039;t realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me here is that it is going to be impossible for the average web designer to achieve everything in the Mobile Web guidelines as well as the normal accessibility guidelines.</p>
<p>The frequent use of &#8220;if the device supports it&#8221; is a big sticking point for me. This means we are going to have to have an exhaustive list of devices and their capabilities, and serve different content to each. This is an absolute killer for small companies and small websites. There is no way that I am going to learn how to distinguish between device clients that support external stylesheets, those that support internal stylesheets only, those that don&#8217;t support any stylesheets, and then send each of them a different version of the page.</p>
<p>At 36KB, this page (before any comments are added) is several times larger than should be served to mobile users &#8211; that means we are not going to get away with hiding content in handheld.css, we are going to have to serve different content. Yes, that may work for big sites, but for most sites it just isn&#8217;t realistic.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/07/30/w3c-releases-mobile-web-best-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-770654</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t XHTML 1.0 Strict essentially serve this purpose (by using mobile-specific CSS)? How is XHTML Basic better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t XHTML 1.0 Strict essentially serve this purpose (by using mobile-specific CSS)? How is XHTML Basic better?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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