Comments on: In-browser Development Tools: Firebug Still King http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:35:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sham http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-888852 Sham Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:37:36 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-888852 errr integrate=intergrate...just realized I was misspelling the entire word :P errr integrate=intergrate…just realized I was misspelling the entire word :P

]]> By: Sham http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-888848 Sham Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:35:53 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-888848 No this is all wrong and preconcieved. FB+FF is a good combination but FB is not king in the least. IE8's dev tool is still in beta and the soon to be dev integration within VS2008+ is goind to make it one complete diagnostic/dev platform. One this MS does and does well is integrate. MS is finally listening to developers from all platforms across all environments and they are starting to finally listen. FB is one of this good enough for now tools...but when it comes to serios develment the only way to go is a complete platform and this is something MS can do easily. -Sham No this is all wrong and preconcieved. FB+FF is a good combination but FB is not king in the least. IE8’s dev tool is still in beta and the soon to be dev integration within VS2008+ is goind to make it one complete diagnostic/dev platform.

One this MS does and does well is integrate. MS is finally listening to developers from all platforms across all environments and they are starting to finally listen.

FB is one of this good enough for now tools…but when it comes to serios develment the only way to go is a complete platform and this is something MS can do easily.

-Sham

]]> By: Mark http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-763579 Mark Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:37:34 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-763579 I agree... Every time I hear about a new tool, I always here that it's "similar to Firebug", but it always falls short. It's not similar to Firebug until I can change the values of CSS properties, execute arbitrary javscript, see the contents of XHR requests, click on an element to get its properties and then easily refer to that in the JS command line, and edit pretty much anything on the page in real time. Oh, and do all that in an extremely intuitive and easy way. Which isn't to say Firebug is perfect, or that I haven't been disappointed by the slow progress it's made since Joe Hewitt has had to turn his attention to things that make money or whatnot. But it's still by far the best, and hopefully today's announcement that John Resig is going to devote half his time to Firebug will make it even better. However I really do think not having Joe actively on the project will hurt. Firebug's usefulness stems from having a developer that knows his javascript at an expert level, understands the internals of Firefox intimately, understands basically everything about FFox's plug-in architecture, regularly has to face the real-world problems of web developers and has a keen sense of usability. That describes basically one dude, and he's busy. But let's face it, he's given us a hell of a good platform to work off of. I can't believe I used to do my job without it. Web development before Firebug was like being a scientist before microscopes. I agree… Every time I hear about a new tool, I always here that it’s “similar to Firebug”, but it always falls short. It’s not similar to Firebug until I can change the values of CSS properties, execute arbitrary javscript, see the contents of XHR requests, click on an element to get its properties and then easily refer to that in the JS command line, and edit pretty much anything on the page in real time. Oh, and do all that in an extremely intuitive and easy way.

Which isn’t to say Firebug is perfect, or that I haven’t been disappointed by the slow progress it’s made since Joe Hewitt has had to turn his attention to things that make money or whatnot. But it’s still by far the best, and hopefully today’s announcement that John Resig is going to devote half his time to Firebug will make it even better.

However I really do think not having Joe actively on the project will hurt. Firebug’s usefulness stems from having a developer that knows his javascript at an expert level, understands the internals of Firefox intimately, understands basically everything about FFox’s plug-in architecture, regularly has to face the real-world problems of web developers and has a keen sense of usability. That describes basically one dude, and he’s busy.

But let’s face it, he’s given us a hell of a good platform to work off of. I can’t believe I used to do my job without it. Web development before Firebug was like being a scientist before microscopes.

]]> By: speratic http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-748994 speratic Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:31:45 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-748994 Opera has a web developer menu as well. Not as powerful as the WD toolbar, but still quite good. Opera has a web developer menu as well. Not as powerful as the WD toolbar, but still quite good.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-748146 Anonymous Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:35:50 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-748146 Posting this with a newly created profile! Let us see if this shows up. The Microsoft Script Debugger is still <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2f465be0-94fd-4569-b3c4-dffdf19ccd99&displaylang=en" rel="nofollow">available for download</a>. You're right that it is still buggy as heck, but you can still use it. I just discovered the Visual Web Developer the other week. I would not bother with the Microsoft Script Debugger. The MSD is just not worth it. And I think it has totally hosed up my system as it does not seem to run under Vista. Two other entries worth mentioning, Fiddler does give you network monitoring for IE, and Yslow is an excellent extension on to Firebug. Posting this with a newly created profile! Let us see if this shows up.

The Microsoft Script Debugger is still available for download. You’re right that it is still buggy as heck, but you can still use it.

I just discovered the Visual Web Developer the other week. I would not bother with the Microsoft Script Debugger. The MSD is just not worth it. And I think it has totally hosed up my system as it does not seem to run under Vista.

Two other entries worth mentioning, Fiddler does give you network monitoring for IE, and Yslow is an excellent extension on to Firebug.

]]> By: Brian LePore http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-748144 Brian LePore Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:33:17 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-748144 The Microsoft Script Debugger is still <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2f465be0-94fd-4569-b3c4-dffdf19ccd99&displaylang=en" rel="nofollow">available for download</a>. You're right that it is still buggy as heck, but you can still use it. I just discovered the Visual Web Developer the other week. I would not bother with the Microsoft Script Debugger. The MSD is just not worth it. And I think it has totally hosed up my system as it does not seem to run under Vista. Two other entries worth mentioning, Fiddler does give you network monitoring for IE, and Yslow is an excellent extension on to Firebug. The Microsoft Script Debugger is still available for download. You’re right that it is still buggy as heck, but you can still use it.

I just discovered the Visual Web Developer the other week. I would not bother with the Microsoft Script Debugger. The MSD is just not worth it. And I think it has totally hosed up my system as it does not seem to run under Vista.

Two other entries worth mentioning, Fiddler does give you network monitoring for IE, and Yslow is an excellent extension on to Firebug.

]]> By: Seether13 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-747792 Seether13 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:57:42 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-747792 Also only recently discovered firebug and really like its capabilities Also only recently discovered firebug and really like its capabilities

]]> By: DavidTan http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-747275 DavidTan Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:55:34 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-747275 Have to agree with firebug + firefox is currently the best combination. Wrote something similar about <a href="http://www.davidtan.org/web-developer-tools-roundup/" rel="nofollow">web developer tools</a> but missed out safari. Have to agree with firebug + firefox is currently the best combination.

Wrote something similar about web developer tools but missed out safari.

]]> By: Jim Neath http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-747016 Jim Neath Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:24:30 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-747016 Firebug and WD Toolbar are an awesome combination. Along with a couple of other extensions (Colorzilla, MeasureIt) I've pretty much got everything I ever need. Firebug and WD Toolbar are an awesome combination.

Along with a couple of other extensions (Colorzilla, MeasureIt) I’ve pretty much got everything I ever need.

]]> By: coffee_ninja http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/06/17/in-browser-development-tools-firebug-still-king/comment-page-1/#comment-746818 coffee_ninja Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:58:06 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=2554#comment-746818 PHP developers, don't forget FirePHP! PHP developers, don’t forget FirePHP!

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