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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Wipes Out Open Document Formats</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rhcman</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-644693</link>
		<dc:creator>rhcman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the shenanigans Microsoft has been pulling off (&lt;a href="http://www.noooxml.org/irregularities" rel="nofollow"&gt;stacking meetings, etc.&lt;/a&gt;) this is not going to be a community-based decision.

The agreement to not sue someone doesn't ensure the openness required for any future for the standard. Microsoft's simply responding to governments that require standards-compliance. Rather than move Microsoft's own formats into compliance, they are simply moving the goalposts.

One need look no further than Microsoft's historical (&lt;a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/28/ie8-version-targeting-microsoft-considers-feedback/" rel="nofollow"&gt;and current&lt;/a&gt;) lack of support for Web standards to understand their motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the shenanigans Microsoft has been pulling off (<a href="http://www.noooxml.org/irregularities" rel="nofollow">stacking meetings, etc.</a>) this is not going to be a community-based decision.</p>
<p>The agreement to not sue someone doesn&#8217;t ensure the openness required for any future for the standard. Microsoft&#8217;s simply responding to governments that require standards-compliance. Rather than move Microsoft&#8217;s own formats into compliance, they are simply moving the goalposts.</p>
<p>One need look no further than Microsoft&#8217;s historical (<a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/28/ie8-version-targeting-microsoft-considers-feedback/" rel="nofollow">and current</a>) lack of support for Web standards to understand their motives.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-644257</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; This would explain alot, since here in Australia perceptions and uptake of open source are rather backward when compared to trends the world over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe you, but got any data supporting out that hypothesis, Jez?

I have heard that 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot, but I'm not sure whether to believe that figure -- seems a bit high to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> This would explain alot, since here in Australia perceptions and uptake of open source are rather backward when compared to trends the world over.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe you, but got any data supporting out that hypothesis, Jez?</p>
<p>I have heard that 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot, but I&#8217;m not sure whether to believe that figure &#8212; seems a bit high to me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jez</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-644208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew seems to be based in Melbourne. This would explain alot, since here in Australia perceptions and uptake of open source are rather backward when compared to trends the world over. Checked how many downloads of OpenOffice.org there have been on their site lately ? And this does not count the millions of GNU/Linux users who already have it in their favorite distributions by default. And oh yes, yawn, its an ISO standard. Over zealous FUD claiming the death of ODF is not going to kill this kind of momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew seems to be based in Melbourne. This would explain alot, since here in Australia perceptions and uptake of open source are rather backward when compared to trends the world over. Checked how many downloads of OpenOffice.org there have been on their site lately ? And this does not count the millions of GNU/Linux users who already have it in their favorite distributions by default. And oh yes, yawn, its an ISO standard. Over zealous FUD claiming the death of ODF is not going to kill this kind of momentum.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643876</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've missed the most important point. ODF is a world ISO standard and many governments are moving to ODF because of this. The writing is on the wall for MS formats and they are desperately trying to keep them alive. Interoperability will win over closed lock-in formats. As already stated, it is also important that you can read old documents and being told the format is no longer supported by MS will not be accepted in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve missed the most important point. ODF is a world ISO standard and many governments are moving to ODF because of this. The writing is on the wall for MS formats and they are desperately trying to keep them alive. Interoperability will win over closed lock-in formats. As already stated, it is also important that you can read old documents and being told the format is no longer supported by MS will not be accepted in the future.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: 200ok</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643831</link>
		<dc:creator>200ok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think there are still good reasons to use ODF over DOC, particularly for archival purposes. Ever tried to open a really old DOC file? Nasty. Whereas with ODF, if all else fails you can extract the XML and get your content back.

To answer your final question: I think this is a case of MS trying to kill open standards in favour of presenting their own solution as a "standard". To put it another way, they're appropriating the word "standard" to help enforce their monopoly. There's no benefit to the world, just a benefit to MS.

ODF is open. DOC is closed, with a little peek to justify some PR and anti-ODF FUD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think there are still good reasons to use ODF over DOC, particularly for archival purposes. Ever tried to open a really old DOC file? Nasty. Whereas with ODF, if all else fails you can extract the XML and get your content back.</p>
<p>To answer your final question: I think this is a case of MS trying to kill open standards in favour of presenting their own solution as a &#8220;standard&#8221;. To put it another way, they&#8217;re appropriating the word &#8220;standard&#8221; to help enforce their monopoly. There&#8217;s no benefit to the world, just a benefit to MS.</p>
<p>ODF is open. DOC is closed, with a little peek to justify some PR and anti-ODF FUD.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643774</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This "article" is a new low for SitePoint.  If I wanted to read Microsoft editorial FUD about something completely unrelated to web development (this is still &lt;strong&gt;Site&lt;/strong&gt;Point, not &lt;strong&gt;OfficeSoftware&lt;/strong&gt;Point, right?), I'd read the MSDN.  But I don't, so if you want to keep me and developers like me reading this site, stop producing garbage like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;article&#8221; is a new low for SitePoint.  If I wanted to read Microsoft editorial FUD about something completely unrelated to web development (this is still <strong>Site</strong>Point, not <strong>OfficeSoftware</strong>Point, right?), I&#8217;d read the MSDN.  But I don&#8217;t, so if you want to keep me and developers like me reading this site, stop producing garbage like this.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: the.peregrine</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643759</link>
		<dc:creator>the.peregrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The death knell for Open Documents is a bit premature, don'tcha think? As if anyone would even &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; Microsoft's smelly ol'bloated formats.

"A bunch of questions come to mind, including this: just how far is Microsoft prepared to go in making its specifications available to developers? (only about 30 of the promised 30,000 documents have been made available so far). Will it just be the bare minimum for us to get things done, or is this interoperability commitment the real deal? And after opening up the protocol, is open-sourcing the code behind any of Microsoft’s applications the next logical step?"

These question are already answered and essentially written in stone for open source solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The death knell for Open Documents is a bit premature, don&#8217;tcha think? As if anyone would even <em>want</em> Microsoft&#8217;s smelly ol&#8217;bloated formats.</p>
<p>&#8220;A bunch of questions come to mind, including this: just how far is Microsoft prepared to go in making its specifications available to developers? (only about 30 of the promised 30,000 documents have been made available so far). Will it just be the bare minimum for us to get things done, or is this interoperability commitment the real deal? And after opening up the protocol, is open-sourcing the code behind any of Microsoft’s applications the next logical step?&#8221;</p>
<p>These question are already answered and essentially written in stone for open source solutions.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: byron.adams</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643147</link>
		<dc:creator>byron.adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did sitepoint start spinning fud?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did sitepoint start spinning fud?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643114</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are all missing the most important part of this announcement.  It's not the document format that is the killer, it's the API/protocol documentation that is the wow in this.  Imagine finally having a broad toolset that can connect with ActiveSync/Exchange rather than having to hack your way through it and guess how it works?  Sure some companies have figured out how it works, but that's mostly because they have partnerships with MS.  The potential in all of this is finally have true hyrbrid networks between *nix and MS servers because they would be able to talk to each other correctly in a more stable fashion.  Anyone with a mite of experience in managing a hybrid network would see the potential in this.  Problem is that by the time the docs are released, the developer community still needs more time on top of that to either fix their code on existing tools, or develop new tools.  But I guess we have to start somewhere.  This announcement opens a lot more possibilities than simply one document format for all office suites.  Think network level mashups for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are all missing the most important part of this announcement.  It&#8217;s not the document format that is the killer, it&#8217;s the API/protocol documentation that is the wow in this.  Imagine finally having a broad toolset that can connect with ActiveSync/Exchange rather than having to hack your way through it and guess how it works?  Sure some companies have figured out how it works, but that&#8217;s mostly because they have partnerships with MS.  The potential in all of this is finally have true hyrbrid networks between *nix and MS servers because they would be able to talk to each other correctly in a more stable fashion.  Anyone with a mite of experience in managing a hybrid network would see the potential in this.  Problem is that by the time the docs are released, the developer community still needs more time on top of that to either fix their code on existing tools, or develop new tools.  But I guess we have to start somewhere.  This announcement opens a lot more possibilities than simply one document format for all office suites.  Think network level mashups for one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sojan80</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/02/25/microsoft-wipes-out-open-document-formats/#comment-643106</link>
		<dc:creator>Sojan80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure I'd see this as a good thing at all. MS already has too much market share in too many other areas, and this is just one more monopoly for them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d see this as a good thing at all. MS already has too much market share in too many other areas, and this is just one more monopoly for them&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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