Comments on: Apple’s OS X “Utter Crap” According to Linux Founder

By: o0 Tao 0o

o0 Tao 0o — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:14:35 +0000

c’mon… face it OSX is total rubbish!

By: dejah

dejah — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:58:18 +0000

It’s my understanding that back in the dark ages, Apple made the choice to use files with data AND resource forks instead of just data forks. It’s an older way of doing things and even at the time it was considered the “worse” choice. It is NOT Unix-like and not even BSD like, so I can see why Linus might consider it screwy.

If I remember my history right (and there is very little I remember at all, so I might be wrong) Apple DID try to go to data-fork-only files when they went over to OS X. My completely uneducated guess is that they got sucked back into resource forks by legacy apps and third party developers who refuse to do things differently.

As a long time Apple developer, I don’t see any problem developing **ON** OS X **FOR** OS X. Handling data and resource forks is pretty well transparent in my opinion since more often than not, whatever framework you are writing in handles the details. but it strikes me that developing for Apple from some other platform might be more difficult since some files require resource fork handling and some don’t. Anything that has to be done differently cross-platform causes problems.

JMO.

By: busy

busy — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:19:47 +0000

I’m annoyed at the misleading headline too.

Anyways, whatever. It’s interesting to know that their file system is crap I guess.

By: AussieJohn

AussieJohn — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:17:46 +0000

Ok so I read the title, followed on to read the article, then proceeded the scroll down in the hope to see comments from developers, instead I see a bunch of people whining about the freaking title.

You’re all saying Magain is “stooping low” by using these titles, but you guys are the ones *still* going on about them.

Now, as a Mac, Linux and Windows user - I am curious about what the developer point of view is on developing with/for HFS+, anyone?

By: mcgoogles

mcgoogles — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:46:32 +0000

This is extremely misleading if you read the referenced article. Also, he was speaking to Linux geeks at a Linux conference promoting Linux, and he was prompted to comment on Mac OS X and Windows. What would you expect?

I’ve been a Mac software engineer for 24 years (at Apple and outside of Apple), and I can’t remember a time when the file system got in the way of development. That in itself is “utter crap” and makes me think he has no clue about software development on the Mac.

I suspect that Mr. Torvalds is still a bit chafed that Apple went with FreeBSD as a base for Mac OS X instead of Linux, (which was also considered). Still, I’m surprised that he would have made such an uninformed statement in such a public forum. Not real smart.

And to the previous poster that claimed that a file system is basically the same as an operating system… that’s rubbish. That’s like saying the hard drive in your mp3 player is the same thing as the mp3 player. A file system is one component of an operating system, and technically it’s not even necessary. On the other hand, a file system is completely useless without an operating system to make use of it.

By: Boo Radley

Boo Radley — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:41:35 +0000

-snicker- no one’s answering the question posed because of the sensationalist headline… Something like “Developing for Apple’s OSX ‘utter crap’ says Linux Founder” would have been more forthright and grabbed about as many eyeballs ;-)

By: Rob_D

Rob_D — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:17:55 +0000

“Find a hobby, people!” Hear, hear.

By: aranwe

aranwe — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:45:35 +0000

I would assume that very few people are developing for the HFS+ file system at Sitepoint. There seems no shortage of opinions on how to properly market, though. :) That tag line was fine. I would likely have come here to find out exactly what he was going on about, whether the tag line was longer or not. It was on topic, for certain, just not specific.

As for the knuckleheads that want to debate the “honour” of this, you must do absolutely nothing but read Sitepoint all day long and never do a single other thing to care that much. You must also never have anything positive to say about anyone or anything. Really? He left out “file system” in an article title? Give me a break! That’s pathetic. Granted, not all of the articles are worth reading for one reason or another, but this one wasn’t even long. It had several quotes and asked a question. It’s not like they sucked you into a Dostoevsky novel only to spoil it on page 1293! Find a hobby, people!

By: Aedus

Aedus — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:28:02 +0000

Still no HFS+ file system comments?

Sorry Matt, looks like you’ve been drowned out by fundamentalists…

By: steve

steve — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:10:44 +0000

well i do know that “back to my mac” sucks and never works right, so I use vnc. so Apple sucks in my book. and quickbooks sucks too. your email newsletter claiming that quickbooks is an agressive marketer, well they have to be, because as soon as people use it they hate it and they have to keep finding newbie customers who have not had the awful experience of using it, so they market like mad.