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	<title>Comments on: SitePoint CSS Reference Closed Beta</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Yank</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548800</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mariov96,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The compatibility section is a step in right direction. But how about the more obscure browsers like iphone, netscape, aol(ie blends), etc?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In time, we'd like to include as much compatibility information as we can in the reference. What you see today is a starting point that we believed we could compile in a reasonable time frame.

I would suggest that if you know of an obscure or derivative browser that has some interesting compatibility issue (e.g. if the iPhone browser differs from Safari 3 in a significant way), you might consider leaving a comment to this effect on the relevant page of the reference. We can then roll this information into the main reference page.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also add a link at the brief matrix to jump to the full version.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is an excellent idea! We'll definitely to this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If a element is partially implemented its buggy but if its not implemented at all is it unsupported or buggy?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
We use four support levels in our reference:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;None - the feature is unsupported&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Buggy - the feature has some level of support, but is buggy or non-standards-compliant&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Partial - the feature is partially supported, and the functionality that is supported is standards-compliant&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Full - the feature is fully supported according to the current W3C recommendation&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;One more thing. You are missing the sitepoint favicon ;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Good catch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mariov96,</p>
<blockquote><p>The compatibility section is a step in right direction. But how about the more obscure browsers like iphone, netscape, aol(ie blends), etc?</p></blockquote>
<p>In time, we&#8217;d like to include as much compatibility information as we can in the reference. What you see today is a starting point that we believed we could compile in a reasonable time frame.</p>
<p>I would suggest that if you know of an obscure or derivative browser that has some interesting compatibility issue (e.g. if the iPhone browser differs from Safari 3 in a significant way), you might consider leaving a comment to this effect on the relevant page of the reference. We can then roll this information into the main reference page.</p>
<blockquote><p>Also add a link at the brief matrix to jump to the full version.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is an excellent idea! We&#8217;ll definitely to this.</p>
<blockquote><p>If a element is partially implemented its buggy but if its not implemented at all is it unsupported or buggy?</p></blockquote>
<p>We use four support levels in our reference:</p>
<ul>
<li>None - the feature is unsupported</li>
<li>Buggy - the feature has some level of support, but is buggy or non-standards-compliant</li>
<li>Partial - the feature is partially supported, and the functionality that is supported is standards-compliant</li>
<li>Full - the feature is fully supported according to the current W3C recommendation</li>
</ul>
<blockquote><p>One more thing. You are missing the sitepoint favicon ;)</p></blockquote>
<p>Good catch!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: 0racle</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548430</link>
		<dc:creator>0racle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin. Any chance of getting in before the begining of the year? I wanted to do some stuff over the holiday break. I'll be glad to comment on any bugs or help you guys need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin. Any chance of getting in before the begining of the year? I wanted to do some stuff over the holiday break. I&#8217;ll be glad to comment on any bugs or help you guys need.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mariov96</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548415</link>
		<dc:creator>mariov96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,
One more thing.  You are missing the sitepoint favicon ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
One more thing.  You are missing the sitepoint favicon ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mariov96</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariov96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin Yank
The compatibility section is a step in right direction.  But how about the more obscure browsers like iphone, netscape, aol(ie blends), etc?

Also add a link at the brief matrix to jump to the full version.

If a element is partially implemented its buggy but if its not implemented at all is it unsupported or buggy?

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin Yank<br />
The compatibility section is a step in right direction.  But how about the more obscure browsers like iphone, netscape, aol(ie blends), etc?</p>
<p>Also add a link at the brief matrix to jump to the full version.</p>
<p>If a element is partially implemented its buggy but if its not implemented at all is it unsupported or buggy?</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Yank</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548403</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caterwomtious,

Thanks for your detailed feedback!

&lt;blockquote&gt;2. If my brief look around, in the compatibility section, I found a reference to the IE 3-pixel jog. The effect was described, but there was no mention of the well-known workaround, and the bug was not given its common name making it harder to Google for more info. Information on problems is useful, but not half as useful as it would be it there were also information on solutions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I definitely agree! Hopefully user-contributed notes on pages like this will allow us to add references to common solutions/workarounds where they are missing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;3. One problem I came across recently is the issue of legend elements not wrapping. I used this scenario as a test-case, and the CSS reference failed. The white-space property doesn’t mention this issue. I might expect to be able to look up element-specific problems indexed by the element name. Perhaps that is planned for the HTML reference your graphic hints at but it’s specifically CSS information I’m looking for, so a by-HTML-element index would be useful to support the by-CSS-property index.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Figuring out where to document issues that lie at the intersection of HTML and CSS is a tricky one. Once we have the HTML Reference in place, it should be easier to see where things like this have slipped through the cracks. We will be relying in part on notes contributed by the user community to help us with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caterwomtious,</p>
<p>Thanks for your detailed feedback!</p>
<blockquote><p>2. If my brief look around, in the compatibility section, I found a reference to the IE 3-pixel jog. The effect was described, but there was no mention of the well-known workaround, and the bug was not given its common name making it harder to Google for more info. Information on problems is useful, but not half as useful as it would be it there were also information on solutions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I definitely agree! Hopefully user-contributed notes on pages like this will allow us to add references to common solutions/workarounds where they are missing.</p>
<blockquote><p>3. One problem I came across recently is the issue of legend elements not wrapping. I used this scenario as a test-case, and the CSS reference failed. The white-space property doesn’t mention this issue. I might expect to be able to look up element-specific problems indexed by the element name. Perhaps that is planned for the HTML reference your graphic hints at but it’s specifically CSS information I’m looking for, so a by-HTML-element index would be useful to support the by-CSS-property index.</p></blockquote>
<p>Figuring out where to document issues that lie at the intersection of HTML and CSS is a tricky one. Once we have the HTML Reference in place, it should be easier to see where things like this have slipped through the cracks. We will be relying in part on notes contributed by the user community to help us with this.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Yank</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548396</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mariov96,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Provide a launch-able sample of the snippet being expressed so the user can confirm the behavior in their own browser/blend.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is definitely on our to-do list.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Provide a verbose view of the support browser matrix. As new browsers come on to the scene users might like to use the sample (see above) and record their findings and thus help keep the matrix relevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is already a complete browser support matrix in the 'Compatibility' section of the page (scroll down to see it on most pages). Did you have something different in mind?

Thanks for your feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mariov96,</p>
<blockquote><p>Provide a launch-able sample of the snippet being expressed so the user can confirm the behavior in their own browser/blend.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is definitely on our to-do list.</p>
<blockquote><p>Provide a verbose view of the support browser matrix. As new browsers come on to the scene users might like to use the sample (see above) and record their findings and thus help keep the matrix relevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is already a complete browser support matrix in the &#8216;Compatibility&#8217; section of the page (scroll down to see it on most pages). Did you have something different in mind?</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Yank</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-548392</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monomomono,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I print preview in landscape, and half the “y” in apply in the first sentence is cut off. Strange behavior.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Any chance you haven't set the 'Scale' drop-down menu in the Print Preview window to 'Shrink to fit'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monomomono,</p>
<blockquote><p>I print preview in landscape, and half the “y” in apply in the first sentence is cut off. Strange behavior.</p></blockquote>
<p>Any chance you haven&#8217;t set the &#8216;Scale&#8217; drop-down menu in the Print Preview window to &#8216;Shrink to fit&#8217;?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kat7</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-544043</link>
		<dc:creator>kat7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this ... great job and thanks for all your effort!

It is bookmarked to probably use daily or at least when I can't find a specific in my books from sitepoint.

Why does the internet search seem so much easier :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this &#8230; great job and thanks for all your effort!</p>
<p>It is bookmarked to probably use daily or at least when I can&#8217;t find a specific in my books from sitepoint.</p>
<p>Why does the internet search seem so much easier :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JRM</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-541478</link>
		<dc:creator>JRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Oracle, I have bought through the SitePoint site and have been signed up for the newsletters for months.  But I too have not signed up to the forum. 

Ahem...  any chance of being admitted to reference.sitepoint.com ?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Oracle, I have bought through the SitePoint site and have been signed up for the newsletters for months.  But I too have not signed up to the forum. </p>
<p>Ahem&#8230;  any chance of being admitted to reference.sitepoint.com ?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: 0racle</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/12/04/sitepoint-css-reference-closed-beta/#comment-540663</link>
		<dc:creator>0racle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I have been signed up for the newsletters for a while and also bought the Build Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML &#38; CSS book. But I missed out on the forums so I cannot gain access. So.. I am begging to get into reference.sitepoint.com . 

Any chance? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I have been signed up for the newsletters for a while and also bought the Build Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML &amp; CSS book. But I missed out on the forums so I cannot gain access. So.. I am begging to get into reference.sitepoint.com . </p>
<p>Any chance? Thanks</p>]]></content:encoded>
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