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	<title>Comments on: Firefox Bug: Status Bar Zaniness</title>
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		<title>By: pd</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/11/08/firefox-bug-status-bar-zaniness/#comment-468467</link>
		<dc:creator>pd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not convinced you have the right bug here.

I think the problem is that the XUL onresize event is a bit crappy but my knowledge is not specific enough to be sure of that.

In short from a user's perspective, resizing the Firefox window does not necessarily resize/force a re-render of the viewport. It is my understanding that this is why the Web Developer Toolbar has always had the "Resize the viewport" option under Resize &#62; Resize Window...

I'm not convinced this problem is directly related to a overloaded status bar at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced you have the right bug here.</p>
<p>I think the problem is that the XUL onresize event is a bit crappy but my knowledge is not specific enough to be sure of that.</p>
<p>In short from a user&#8217;s perspective, resizing the Firefox window does not necessarily resize/force a re-render of the viewport. It is my understanding that this is why the Web Developer Toolbar has always had the &#8220;Resize the viewport&#8221; option under Resize &gt; Resize Window&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced this problem is directly related to a overloaded status bar at all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: colinmcc</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/11/08/firefox-bug-status-bar-zaniness/#comment-456374</link>
		<dc:creator>colinmcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wolf_22&lt;/strong&gt;, I agree that FF is taking longer to load. I have become so aware of it that I have taken to opening pages in Opera if FF is not already open!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wolf_22</strong>, I agree that FF is taking longer to load. I have become so aware of it that I have taken to opening pages in Opera if FF is not already open!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/11/08/firefox-bug-status-bar-zaniness/#comment-443907</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve found that the Organize Status Bar extension is helpful in taking back control of your status bar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for the tip, Richard. That's slimmed my bar down a little.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1759</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve found that the Organize Status Bar extension is helpful in taking back control of your status bar.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the tip, Richard. That&#8217;s slimmed my bar down a little.</p>
<p><a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1759" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1759</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/11/08/firefox-bug-status-bar-zaniness/#comment-443812</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue that certainly becomes more obvious when you have a few extensions installed but is presumably still present if you don't. In other words, if you were building a gallery with very small thumbnails, or a nested list nav with small font the issue would still present.

Sure, we could all could get rid of a few extensions, but that's not really the point. The fact remains that the behavior of the chrome shouldn't in any way be able to influence the way any  site/page renders. The rendering engine should be 100% insulated from what is happening at the browser interface level.

Of the extensions I run: 

Gmail Managers steals the most space, but I run two Gmail accounts so minimizing it's display makes it less useful.

Adblock is great -- personally I mostly use it to block those incessant animated avatars from forums -- but it's a waste of space in the status bar. I'd be happy to lose it from there if I could -- or at least reduce it to a small icon.

HTML Validator, Stylish, PasswordMaker, Greasemonkey, No Scripts, DustMe and Firebug are all used every week (if not every day) and to me are well worthy of my prime status bar real estate. 

On top of that, to write about this stuff here and in the newsletter, you really need to be playing with this stuff to find out what's genuinely useful. For every five or ten you test, one might be worth writing about, but you have to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue that certainly becomes more obvious when you have a few extensions installed but is presumably still present if you don&#8217;t. In other words, if you were building a gallery with very small thumbnails, or a nested list nav with small font the issue would still present.</p>
<p>Sure, we could all could get rid of a few extensions, but that&#8217;s not really the point. The fact remains that the behavior of the chrome shouldn&#8217;t in any way be able to influence the way any  site/page renders. The rendering engine should be 100% insulated from what is happening at the browser interface level.</p>
<p>Of the extensions I run: </p>
<p>Gmail Managers steals the most space, but I run two Gmail accounts so minimizing it&#8217;s display makes it less useful.</p>
<p>Adblock is great &#8212; personally I mostly use it to block those incessant animated avatars from forums &#8212; but it&#8217;s a waste of space in the status bar. I&#8217;d be happy to lose it from there if I could &#8212; or at least reduce it to a small icon.</p>
<p>HTML Validator, Stylish, PasswordMaker, Greasemonkey, No Scripts, DustMe and Firebug are all used every week (if not every day) and to me are well worthy of my prime status bar real estate. </p>
<p>On top of that, to write about this stuff here and in the newsletter, you really need to be playing with this stuff to find out what&#8217;s genuinely useful. For every five or ten you test, one might be worth writing about, but you have to find it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mrsmiley</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/11/08/firefox-bug-status-bar-zaniness/#comment-443723</link>
		<dc:creator>mrsmiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed this problem for quite a while now, but I mainly see it in popup windows.  Take the Sitepoint ads on this site when you view articles as an example.  Generally speaking what you end up with is the content of the page overflowing the width of the browser window, but you don't get a horizontal scrollbar to compensate.  Annoying as anything because you have to resize the window to see the rest of the content.  Not such an issue for ad content granted, but if the window contains something important, that's another story.

A lot of the guys I work with have a lot of extensions enabled.  In the end we just had to make a call that browser weirdness problems always required a retest with either extensions disabled, or at least a minimal set enabled.  Reality is you don't really need them all enabled all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this problem for quite a while now, but I mainly see it in popup windows.  Take the Sitepoint ads on this site when you view articles as an example.  Generally speaking what you end up with is the content of the page overflowing the width of the browser window, but you don&#8217;t get a horizontal scrollbar to compensate.  Annoying as anything because you have to resize the window to see the rest of the content.  Not such an issue for ad content granted, but if the window contains something important, that&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p>A lot of the guys I work with have a lot of extensions enabled.  In the end we just had to make a call that browser weirdness problems always required a retest with either extensions disabled, or at least a minimal set enabled.  Reality is you don&#8217;t really need them all enabled all the time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RichardDavies</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardDavies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed this odd behavior myself too. And like you, I'm an extension junkie. I've found that the Organize Status Bar extension is helpful in taking back control of your status bar. It allows you to reorder the icons in the status bar and hide any that you don't want to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this odd behavior myself too. And like you, I&#8217;m an extension junkie. I&#8217;ve found that the Organize Status Bar extension is helpful in taking back control of your status bar. It allows you to reorder the icons in the status bar and hide any that you don&#8217;t want to see.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wolf_22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf_22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more equipment you have on the boat, the heavier it will be... Hehe. No, you are very right Malikyte. I got off topic a bit I suppose, but my post does not go without some truth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more equipment you have on the boat, the heavier it will be&#8230; Hehe. No, you are very right Malikyte. I got off topic a bit I suppose, but my post does not go without some truth&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: malikyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>malikyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wolf: I think you're missing the fact that, for the most part, Mozilla is not responsible for the plugins or add-ons.  If you install any, it's your own risk.Just like installing an unknown program in your Operating System, you are responsible for any undesirable effects.

Wow Alex!  Surely you don't need all those extensions? Time for spring cleaning a little early? :)  As far as what Rick said, I have also used 'Page Saver' for screenshots, and have recently been taking a look at &lt;a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5648" rel="nofollow"&gt;FireShot&lt;/a&gt;, which also allows annotations to be placed in the image.  This, like Page Saver, places the button to the direct right of the search engine text field (where your Skype button is).  Good golly you have a lot of addons!

Regardless of any and all suggestions, thanks for pointing out this bug, it'll be useful to know in case other people report problems that I cannot reproduce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wolf: I think you&#8217;re missing the fact that, for the most part, Mozilla is not responsible for the plugins or add-ons.  If you install any, it&#8217;s your own risk.Just like installing an unknown program in your Operating System, you are responsible for any undesirable effects.</p>
<p>Wow Alex!  Surely you don&#8217;t need all those extensions? Time for spring cleaning a little early? :)  As far as what Rick said, I have also used &#8216;Page Saver&#8217; for screenshots, and have recently been taking a look at <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5648" rel="nofollow">FireShot</a>, which also allows annotations to be placed in the image.  This, like Page Saver, places the button to the direct right of the search engine text field (where your Skype button is).  Good golly you have a lot of addons!</p>
<p>Regardless of any and all suggestions, thanks for pointing out this bug, it&#8217;ll be useful to know in case other people report problems that I cannot reproduce!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wolf_22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf_22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or is Firefox (FF) becoming bloated software? Maybe I am doing something wrong on my computer (probably am), but to me, it seems like ever since FF preceeded beyond version '2', it took longer to load. To me, this spells out disaster for Mozilla. The bugs have appeared to grow in numbers, and with that, functionality has began to break down. I cannot really say that this trully happened with Internet Explorer (IE) as IE was one of the first contemporary browsers on the market when websites became mainstream. ...I'm speaking in a historically abstract perspective here (I am not holding up for IE; I love FF ten-times more)... Anyway, all I know is that I want a browser with simple browsing functionality and not 200+ extensions, mods, skins, enhancements, yadda, yadda, yadda... It's overkill. That is probably why crap like the above happens all the time. ...Maybe I am wrong in all of my ramble...

I just do not understand how inconsistant companies like Microsoft / Mozilla et al can be by making things like add-ons for their products when the actual webpage translations still, to this very day, have yet to be consistant and standardized and display properly across all platforms. There is no excuse for this when the Internet of today has become a primary communication medium! Is this not the MAIN purpose of a browser anyway!?

...Things need to get back to basics and the closet needs to be cleaned out before they start worrying about what toppings are on the sundae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or is Firefox (FF) becoming bloated software? Maybe I am doing something wrong on my computer (probably am), but to me, it seems like ever since FF preceeded beyond version &#8216;2&#8242;, it took longer to load. To me, this spells out disaster for Mozilla. The bugs have appeared to grow in numbers, and with that, functionality has began to break down. I cannot really say that this trully happened with Internet Explorer (IE) as IE was one of the first contemporary browsers on the market when websites became mainstream. &#8230;I&#8217;m speaking in a historically abstract perspective here (I am not holding up for IE; I love FF ten-times more)&#8230; Anyway, all I know is that I want a browser with simple browsing functionality and not 200+ extensions, mods, skins, enhancements, yadda, yadda, yadda&#8230; It&#8217;s overkill. That is probably why crap like the above happens all the time. &#8230;Maybe I am wrong in all of my ramble&#8230;</p>
<p>I just do not understand how inconsistant companies like Microsoft / Mozilla et al can be by making things like add-ons for their products when the actual webpage translations still, to this very day, have yet to be consistant and standardized and display properly across all platforms. There is no excuse for this when the Internet of today has become a primary communication medium! Is this not the MAIN purpose of a browser anyway!?</p>
<p>&#8230;Things need to get back to basics and the closet needs to be cleaned out before they start worrying about what toppings are on the sundae.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: wwb_99</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwb_99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It definitely has been an issue for at least 18 months--I recall one of our users had the same problem, root cause was his weather extension was doing what your 92 extensions are doing in and of itself. That and a 1024x768 screen did not help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It definitely has been an issue for at least 18 months&#8211;I recall one of our users had the same problem, root cause was his weather extension was doing what your 92 extensions are doing in and of itself. That and a 1024&#215;768 screen did not help.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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