the again… the more code the more you can edit… so in a sense you could say that php is more custimizable…. aldo i cant really say that couse im not a coldfusion pro xD

lol - that’s not a business model amigo - that’s a religious statement.

The masses buy their clothes at Walmart. I’m part of a small minority that purchases clothes from LL Bean. My clothes cost more but they last 10 times longer. Who is right? What is the correct business decision? Are the masses correct?

Give me a single reason to use PHP other than “it’s free”. And that isn’t a good reason because, for the 10th time, free is not inexpensive in this case.

Sorry dude, but your religion doesn’t make good business sense.

Now our company is using Coldfusion7 and we have never been happier. I, personally, took it upon myself when i first started learning CF to rewrite my personal website. It was originally written in PHP/mySQL and then later rewritten in CF7/mySQL.

The amount of code for the php version was much larger and the scripts were more complicated. The CF pages are well way, way, way shorter. So it took me like 1/3 of the time to rewrite my entire website and even correct somethings that were not working in the PHP version.

That is how I became a CF fanboy. CF, plain and simple, made life easier for me as a developer. It was pretty easy to pick up on the basics and with knowing the basics you could write a basic CMS, similar to the one you write in the Kevin Yanks PHP book. (An excellent book BTW).

So, for now, I 90% of the time program in CF7 and the other 10% I might do some PHP coding. But if I have my option I am going to pick CF7 everytime.

Costs: For me the cost is a non-factor. My reseller account at Hostfolio costs me $25/month for CF windows based server. I can do all of my primary development for free using the CF Developer Edition locally on my computer. Using the CF Admin tool I just enter my remote database servers location and user/pass to create the connection.

I also use Adobe CS3 Suite, which makes life oh so much easier! The new Dreamweaver is the awesome.

ColdFusion Servers
VPS Accounts

- BlueDragon Server JX 7 ($10.00/mo)
- Adobe CFMX 8 Enterprise ($65.00/mo)
- Adobe CFMX 8 Professional ($95.00/mo)
- Adobe CFMX 7 Professional ($25.00/mo)

The enterprise/professional price weirdness is because of some wacky cpu cost from Adobe, so they can actually offer enterprise for less on a vps. Still, Adobe costs vastly more than Bluedragon to host your site.

IIS doesn’t suck and has recently surpassed Apache in deployments.

This is an outstanding piece of news.

PHP is still, relatively, crap.

This is on the opposite a typical case of non-sense criticism. No need to reply.

But hey, if your time is worth less than the cost of a real tool - go for it.

Bullshit. My business model is called Open Source in case you forgot. It is not about self-proclaimed “real tools”. But again no need to reply.

PostgreSQL is great.
MySQL is very good
Linux is good.

This means the “you get what you pay for” sentence is the typical salesperson fish-smelling sentence and it is about the time to stop saying it.

What the majority does isn’t always right

This is because you think the most people are idiot or incompetent. Sorry I don’t. One day you will realize it too.

Whenever I have had the opportunity to present ColdFusion vs. other technologies to some CIO I have in every case except one converted them based on the business case.

I don’t argue at all on this point. Coldfusion was surely the best option for their business cases. Except for that one, but following your line of thinking maybe she/he was an incompetent.

I find most of the people who denigrate CF have never used it and are just emotionally tied to what they know

Sorry but not my case. I didn’t denigrate CF at all. Personally I only try to use the tools which best fit my market. Namely: Moodle and MediaWiki which are incidentally written in PHP and I can assure you they are not crap at all.

CF 8 is running like a dog on my development box. Have spent the day turning off services (yes it’s that slow) and the PC is still crawling. Finally switched off the CF stuff and it’s back to rocketing along. Memory intensive?

I’ve been running CF8 on my dev box along w/Apache, MySQL AND PHP and I haven’t experienced any noticeable slowdown. I don’t know if I’d generalize based on your experience.

IIS doesn’t suck and has recently surpassed Apache in deployments.

PostgreSQL is great.

MySQL is very good

Linux is good.

PHP is still, relatively, crap. But hey, if your time is worth less than the cost of a real tool - go for it.

A majority of the Fortune 500 intranets in the US run on CF. I agree that CF penentration is weak in other web areas - BUT THAT HAS NO BEARING on the argument. What the majority does isn’t always right. Whenever I have had the opportunity to present ColdFusion vs. other technologies to some CIO I have in every case except one converted them based on the business case.

Ignorance in this case is not bliss. I find most of the people who denigrate CF have never used it and are just emotionally tied to what they know. As technologists we are supposed to be smarter than that.

More CF work for me.

I think if everyone takes a step back and analyze their side of the debate, they will note that there are pros and cons to everything, and those pros and cons should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

The post is about costs, and in my experience, attempting to implement open-source soulutions often cost me time and money, getting some of the “free” solutions to work. I can spend countless hours on forums, using google, and exchanging emails with hosting companies, support techs, just to get the solution running in a hosted environment, by the time I get around to customizing the application to fit my specific needs, I am usually spent of the process. And realize I could have used, previously utilized previously written code (I never write project specific code, but think about code reuse) and completed the application. Not to mention finding open source solutions, that promise what I need in the next iteration which could take MONTHS. I guess I can get impatient, and would rather make the initial investment, because when I analyse my hourly earning potential, CF is well worth it.

ASP.NET / C# is a close second now, that I am getting more re-usable code under my belt. Bottom line it boils down to what works for you.