Comments on: Ruby on Rails: The art of simplicity http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:15:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: bluetone http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-430033 bluetone Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:37:10 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-430033 Mandrake: I prefer ColdFusion over RoR but I would still have to say you are "wrong". In my opinion, PHP is clearly the worst choice of the major development platforms and .net is a close second. Just because PHP is used my some large organizations doesn't mean that it makes good business sense. Ease of development, ease of maintenance, power, scaleabillity, stability, security - PHP is relatively weak in all areas. Mandrake:

I prefer ColdFusion over RoR but I would still have to say you are “wrong”. In my opinion, PHP is clearly the worst choice of the major development platforms and .net is a close second. Just because PHP is used my some large organizations doesn’t mean that it makes good business sense.

Ease of development, ease of maintenance, power, scaleabillity, stability, security - PHP is relatively weak in all areas.

]]> By: lajkonik86 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-421929 lajkonik86 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:06 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-421929 Looks like I posted twice :S thought the first one failed. Looks like I posted twice :S thought the first one failed.

]]> By: Mandrake http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418368 Mandrake Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:56:57 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418368 All the media and web development agencies in UK are using PHP and/or .NET. I've seen a big agency getting into trouble and failing to deliver because of Ruby. If I'm not wrong, Ruby and Perl lost the web race years ago, and they should not be taken seriously or in consideration when developing medium/large websites (specially eCommerce sites). I doubt Ruby will ever be adopted by the LAMP family, it just wasn't created for the web. Yahoo! choose PHP/Symfony over other Ruby/RoR and other languages and frameworks. That tells you the rest of the story :) On the other hand, RoR is fun and easy to use, my little brother loves it! All the media and web development agencies in UK are using PHP and/or .NET. I’ve seen a big agency getting into trouble and failing to deliver because of Ruby.

If I’m not wrong, Ruby and Perl lost the web race years ago, and they should not be taken seriously or in consideration when developing medium/large websites (specially eCommerce sites). I doubt Ruby will ever be adopted by the LAMP family, it just wasn’t created for the web.

Yahoo! choose PHP/Symfony over other Ruby/RoR and other languages and frameworks. That tells you the rest of the story :)

On the other hand, RoR is fun and easy to use, my little brother loves it!

]]> By: lajkonik86 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418321 lajkonik86 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:19:56 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418321 Well, ROR should not be underestimated, some tools such as calipso and migrations are far superior to other frameworks. However if you look at the total package, I feel Symfony is a better framework than RoR. Maybe a year ago I would have made a different choice. But as far as i can see Symfony is nicer than RoR. RoR deserves a great deal of credit though, it innovated so many aspects of web-development. Choosing a framework is a bit of a gamble, but my money is on Symfony :) Well, ROR should not be underestimated, some tools such as calipso and migrations are far superior to other frameworks.

However if you look at the total package, I feel Symfony is a better framework than RoR. Maybe a year ago I would have made a different choice. But as far as i can see Symfony is nicer than RoR.

RoR deserves a great deal of credit though, it innovated so many aspects of web-development.

Choosing a framework is a bit of a gamble, but my money is on Symfony :)

]]> By: Craig http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418298 Craig Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:53:12 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-418298 In my opinion, most people that oppose RoR usually haven't taken a close enough look at what the capabilities, benefits and advantages are. They've also invested many years into their current way of doing things; whether it be PHP or Java or whatever. For these defensive individuals change would be investing even more effort into something completely different. Not always fun or very productive. If you've been using PHP or Java to build web applications and you consider yourself a "rock star", then keep doing what your doing. By now you may have created your own framework and libraries and you can get the job done quickly and efficiently. If you are still fairly new to web application development, you should definitely invest some time doing some of the many great tutorials on the web and see how fun web development can be. To quote our great friend Shreik... "Change is good Donkey!" In my opinion, most people that oppose RoR usually haven’t taken a close enough look at what the capabilities, benefits and advantages are.

They’ve also invested many years into their current way of doing things; whether it be PHP or Java or whatever. For these defensive individuals change would be investing even more effort into something completely different. Not always fun or very productive.

If you’ve been using PHP or Java to build web applications and you consider yourself a “rock star”, then keep doing what your doing. By now you may have created your own framework and libraries and you can get the job done quickly and efficiently.

If you are still fairly new to web application development, you should definitely invest some time doing some of the many great tutorials on the web and see how fun web development can be.

To quote our great friend Shreik…
“Change is good Donkey!”

]]> By: Ronnie http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417931 Ronnie Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:16:42 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417931 Wherever I read about RoR I also read constant, pathetic and very annoying PHP-bashing. Hey guys would you mind stopping the hype and writing some useful app that people use instead of spitting sentences all over? "things that take hours in PHP take minutes in Rails" Do you realise how pathetic and misleading is this sentence? Wake up RoR's year was 2006. Time to stop the hype and show something. Wherever I read about RoR I also read constant, pathetic and very annoying PHP-bashing. Hey guys would you mind stopping the hype and writing some useful app that people use instead of spitting sentences all over?

“things that take hours in PHP take minutes in Rails”

Do you realise how pathetic and misleading is this sentence?
Wake up RoR’s year was 2006. Time to stop the hype and show something.

]]> By: lajkonik86 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417179 lajkonik86 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:27:27 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417179 Glad to see you are liking Rails. Currently I am using Symfony which has been a very pleasant experience. My knowledge about Rails is quite limited. I never dived in, but only read tutorials and viewed screencasts. I also blog on the Symfony framework on my blog at http://www.mellowmorning.com http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/08/18/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-1/ http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/09/08/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-2/ Maybe it would be nice to combine some knowledge and write a comparison posts between Rails and Symfony together. Cheers, Thierry Glad to see you are liking Rails.
Currently I am using Symfony which has been a very pleasant experience.
My knowledge about Rails is quite limited. I never dived in, but only read tutorials and viewed screencasts.

I also blog on the Symfony framework on my blog at http://www.mellowmorning.com
http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/08/18/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-1/
http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/09/08/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-2/

Maybe it would be nice to combine some knowledge and write a comparison posts between Rails and Symfony together.

Cheers,
Thierry

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417173 Anonymous Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:17:48 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-417173 Hey Myles, Glad to hear you like rails so much. I've never really used rails. I checked the videos and read about it though. Symfony however has always been my preferred framework. I blog about Symfony and other stuff at http://www.mellowmorning.com, some of the older posts give a nice indication of the possibilities of Symfony. http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/08/18/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-1/ http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/09/08/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-2/ Maybe it would be nice to combine our knowledge and write a comparison between the two. Cheers, Thierry Hey Myles,

Glad to hear you like rails so much.
I’ve never really used rails. I checked the videos and read about it though. Symfony however has always been my preferred framework.

I blog about Symfony and other stuff at http://www.mellowmorning.com, some of the older posts give a nice indication of the possibilities of Symfony.
http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/08/18/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-1/
http://www.mellowmorning.com/2007/09/08/ten-reasons-why-symfony-rocks-part-2/

Maybe it would be nice to combine our knowledge and write a comparison between the two.

Cheers,
Thierry

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-416742 Anonymous Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:39:06 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-416742 hi im new to rails and im doing testing im using assert_tag :tag=>"div" but this is giving me the error 1) Error: test_test(AccountControllerTest): RuntimeError: expected > (got ".length; i++) {\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t//if the element is selected \n\t\t\t\tif (elementList[i].id == selected.id){\n\t\t\t\t\tselected.className = selectedCssName;\n\t\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\telse{ //if the element is unselected\n\t\t\t\t\telementList[i].className = unselectedCssName;\n\t\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t}\n\t\t" for hi im new to rails and im doing testing
im using assert_tag :tag=>”div”
but this is giving me the error
1) Error:
test_test(AccountControllerTest):
RuntimeError: expected > (got “.length; i++) {\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t//if the element is selected \n\t\t\t\tif (elementList[i].id == selected.id){\n\t\t\t\t\tselected.className = selectedCssName;\n\t\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\telse{ //if the element is unselected\n\t\t\t\t\telementList[i].className = unselectedCssName;\n\t\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t}\n\t\t” for

]]> By: madpilot http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-416094 madpilot Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:10:23 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/10/15/ruby-on-rails-the-art-of-simplicity/#comment-416094 That is the best analogy I have ever heard. Brilliant! That is the best analogy I have ever heard. Brilliant!

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