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		<title>By: inLip</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-357452</link>
		<dc:creator>inLip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the spam icon should be made to look more like spam. best way i see it, is a simple small back font icon that reads &#039;spam&#039; which highlights. meh...but that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the spam icon should be made to look more like spam. best way i see it, is a simple small back font icon that reads &#8217;spam&#8217; which highlights. meh&#8230;but that&#8217;s just me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jtresidder</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-342743</link>
		<dc:creator>jtresidder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pfff, typo&#039;d my password and ending up posting anonymously. The above post was mine - I have nothing to hide! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfff, typo&#8217;d my password and ending up posting anonymously. The above post was mine &#8211; I have nothing to hide! ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-342740</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CptHightop: Removing the text would be worse - you would have to guess or look up which context the program was using the first time, and remember it or guess or look it up again subsequently. Do the symbols take the default as good mail or spam? Does the green tick mean &quot;yes, this is good mail&quot; or does it mean &quot;yes, it is safe to delete this as it is spam&quot;? Does the red line and circle mean &quot;no, this is not good mail&quot; or does it mean &quot;no, don&#039;t delete this, it&#039;s not spam&quot;?

Yes/No (or tick/cross, thumbs up/down etc.) are rarely intuitive by themselves, they need context unambiguously defined. As it says in the original article - even when you &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; the context, you can still have a nagging doubt if there is space for ambiguity, and that&#039;s about as unintuitive as you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CptHightop: Removing the text would be worse &#8211; you would have to guess or look up which context the program was using the first time, and remember it or guess or look it up again subsequently. Do the symbols take the default as good mail or spam? Does the green tick mean &#8220;yes, this is good mail&#8221; or does it mean &#8220;yes, it is safe to delete this as it is spam&#8221;? Does the red line and circle mean &#8220;no, this is not good mail&#8221; or does it mean &#8220;no, don&#8217;t delete this, it&#8217;s not spam&#8221;?</p>
<p>Yes/No (or tick/cross, thumbs up/down etc.) are rarely intuitive by themselves, they need context unambiguously defined. As it says in the original article &#8211; even when you <em>know</em> the context, you can still have a nagging doubt if there is space for ambiguity, and that&#8217;s about as unintuitive as you can get.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: redwall_hp</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-341887</link>
		<dc:creator>redwall_hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mozilla could change the spam icons to be cans of SPAM, with checkmarks/&quot;x&quot;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mozilla could change the spam icons to be cans of SPAM, with checkmarks/&#8221;x&#8221;s.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sharpize</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-339829</link>
		<dc:creator>sharpize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree but I don&#039;t think the tick for &#039;ok&#039; posts would save me rather than loose me.  Imagining that I am quite tired and have had icons in my face all day I would probably hover over the red &#039;no&#039;/spam and just leave it for another day.  

A good icon for that in my humble opinion would be an envelope behind bars!  haha.  Possibly a halo or wings over the positive mail.  But not horns for negative because calling something devilish can actually be construed as a good thing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree but I don&#8217;t think the tick for &#8216;ok&#8217; posts would save me rather than loose me.  Imagining that I am quite tired and have had icons in my face all day I would probably hover over the red &#8216;no&#8217;/spam and just leave it for another day.  </p>
<p>A good icon for that in my humble opinion would be an envelope behind bars!  haha.  Possibly a halo or wings over the positive mail.  But not horns for negative because calling something devilish can actually be construed as a good thing too.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: stoons</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-339345</link>
		<dc:creator>stoons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm... I hadn&#039;t much considered my Incredimail &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stoons.ca/spam-junk.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Report as Junk&lt;/a&gt;&quot; icon
http://www.stoons.ca/spam-junk.jpg

Looking at it, it doesn&#039;t make much sense to me.  Is that supposed to be a &quot;spy&quot;?

I like your spam/not spam icons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; I hadn&#8217;t much considered my Incredimail &#8220;<a href="http://www.stoons.ca/spam-junk.jpg" rel="nofollow">Report as Junk</a>&#8221; icon<br />
<a href="http://www.stoons.ca/spam-junk.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.stoons.ca/spam-junk.jpg</a></p>
<p>Looking at it, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me.  Is that supposed to be a &#8220;spy&#8221;?</p>
<p>I like your spam/not spam icons.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CptHightop</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-339249</link>
		<dc:creator>CptHightop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Alex, you&#039;re not being too picky. Part of good UI design is making the UI intuitive to use, as you have already pointed out.

While the choice of icons is definitely not a good one, keep in mind that most of the people who design plug-ins are developers not designers. Many of them have probably never really thought of bringing a designer on board either. These people are usually focused on what they are developing and give the design aspect of it little if any thought.

So how do we go about improving the designs of free/open-source software? Maybe as designers, we should volunteer our time, as these developers have, and help them create better designs for the UIs they are developing?

BTW, I personally think that as far as the aforementioned icons go, the ubiquitous red circle with a line through it, and nothing else accompanying it, would be a good choice for the Spam icon (its something you don&#039;t want), while a lone green check mark would be a good choice for the mail you want to keep. In my mind, icons should be as simple as possible while conveying as much as possible. Given the context, an email client and the associated spam plug-in, I believe that would be pretty intuitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Alex, you&#8217;re not being too picky. Part of good UI design is making the UI intuitive to use, as you have already pointed out.</p>
<p>While the choice of icons is definitely not a good one, keep in mind that most of the people who design plug-ins are developers not designers. Many of them have probably never really thought of bringing a designer on board either. These people are usually focused on what they are developing and give the design aspect of it little if any thought.</p>
<p>So how do we go about improving the designs of free/open-source software? Maybe as designers, we should volunteer our time, as these developers have, and help them create better designs for the UIs they are developing?</p>
<p>BTW, I personally think that as far as the aforementioned icons go, the ubiquitous red circle with a line through it, and nothing else accompanying it, would be a good choice for the Spam icon (its something you don&#8217;t want), while a lone green check mark would be a good choice for the mail you want to keep. In my mind, icons should be as simple as possible while conveying as much as possible. Given the context, an email client and the associated spam plug-in, I believe that would be pretty intuitive.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/08/10/are-your-icons-working-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-339244</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flame icon appears to be appreciated because it illustrates what you want to do with the mail. Another idea along those lines might be a big foot or hammer smashing down on the envelope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flame icon appears to be appreciated because it illustrates what you want to do with the mail. Another idea along those lines might be a big foot or hammer smashing down on the envelope.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I quite like the flame icon, but I&#039;m not so keen on using the word &#039;Junk&#039;. The words &#039;Junk&#039; and &#039;trash&#039; are often entirely interchangable and the trash can metaphor has been used since at least the early 80&#039;s macs to label stuff that no longer has value  - often that will include files/mail you wanted, but don&#039;t need any more. 

Ideally I wouldn&#039;t want to risk confusing mail I never want to see (spam) with good mail I&#039;m just cleaning up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I quite like the flame icon, but I&#8217;m not so keen on using the word &#8216;Junk&#8217;. The words &#8216;Junk&#8217; and &#8216;trash&#8217; are often entirely interchangable and the trash can metaphor has been used since at least the early 80&#8217;s macs to label stuff that no longer has value  &#8211; often that will include files/mail you wanted, but don&#8217;t need any more. </p>
<p>Ideally I wouldn&#8217;t want to risk confusing mail I never want to see (spam) with good mail I&#8217;m just cleaning up.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ryannj</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryannj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we just call it &quot;Junk&quot;? It seems as though there are more associations we can make with &quot;Junk&quot; than &quot;Spam&quot;. Is there a difference between the two? I noticed that your mockup also has a button for Junk. What&#039;s the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just call it &#8220;Junk&#8221;? It seems as though there are more associations we can make with &#8220;Junk&#8221; than &#8220;Spam&#8221;. Is there a difference between the two? I noticed that your mockup also has a button for Junk. What&#8217;s the difference?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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