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		<title>By: dkeesler</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-251190</link>
		<dc:creator>dkeesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's not compare apples and oranges.  Any SVG solution will be image based.  PHP already offers an image based text replacement solution, although it's a bit clumsy and doesn't handle non-proportional fonts well.  Remember, the BIG selling point with sIFR (besides it's ease of use) it that the flash text is still TEXT.  It can be searched, copied/pasted, etc. -- it behaves like ordinary text.

I've tested it with more than 20 highly different fonts.  It still has some difficulty scaling certain fonts correctly... you have to experiment a little -- but it is FAR more effective and much simpler than using ImageMagick or imagettftext() in PHP.   Also, with PHP there is often a noticeable delay while the image is being generated.   With sIFR I have not yet noticed even a hint of a delay on any servers I have tested on.

And for those of you who are still resisting Flash technology, I say this:  Are you kidding me?  This is a DEVELOPER'S site right?  You are seriously going to develop websites today and not put Flash in your toolkit?  No, you are not!  Think of this:  Active-X will for sure get blocked.  Applets may/may not function correctly depending on whether/what version of JRE is installed client-side, and the end user will still be uncomfortable having to download the applet (security), CSS and all client-side scripting can be disabled/overridden.  Next to server-side scripting, Flash may be the most reliable cross-browser tool in your bag.   In my experience, while my average website may only contain a small handful of Flash objects, I could survive longer without .NET 2.0 than I could without Flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not compare apples and oranges.  Any SVG solution will be image based.  PHP already offers an image based text replacement solution, although it&#8217;s a bit clumsy and doesn&#8217;t handle non-proportional fonts well.  Remember, the BIG selling point with sIFR (besides it&#8217;s ease of use) it that the flash text is still TEXT.  It can be searched, copied/pasted, etc. &#8212; it behaves like ordinary text.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tested it with more than 20 highly different fonts.  It still has some difficulty scaling certain fonts correctly&#8230; you have to experiment a little &#8212; but it is FAR more effective and much simpler than using ImageMagick or imagettftext() in PHP.   Also, with PHP there is often a noticeable delay while the image is being generated.   With sIFR I have not yet noticed even a hint of a delay on any servers I have tested on.</p>
<p>And for those of you who are still resisting Flash technology, I say this:  Are you kidding me?  This is a DEVELOPER&#8217;S site right?  You are seriously going to develop websites today and not put Flash in your toolkit?  No, you are not!  Think of this:  Active-X will for sure get blocked.  Applets may/may not function correctly depending on whether/what version of JRE is installed client-side, and the end user will still be uncomfortable having to download the applet (security), CSS and all client-side scripting can be disabled/overridden.  Next to server-side scripting, Flash may be the most reliable cross-browser tool in your bag.   In my experience, while my average website may only contain a small handful of Flash objects, I could survive longer without .NET 2.0 than I could without Flash.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: iwanttokeepanon</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-242246</link>
		<dc:creator>iwanttokeepanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flash is not a "standard".  Flash is a proprietary plug-in.  That being said, I usually use opera WITHOUT plug-ins configured (that's on purpose).  When I use firefox, you bet I have flashblock installed.  IE, why bother?

If you want me to see your content, make sure it "degrades" to MY viewing style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flash is not a &#8220;standard&#8221;.  Flash is a proprietary plug-in.  That being said, I usually use opera WITHOUT plug-ins configured (that&#8217;s on purpose).  When I use firefox, you bet I have flashblock installed.  IE, why bother?</p>
<p>If you want me to see your content, make sure it &#8220;degrades&#8221; to MY viewing style.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-236007</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hang on now, sIFR 3 is still in beta! Although, of course, it’s a really cool beta.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry Mark, I read those last fix releases as full releases. It's certainly got some nifty features.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t an SVG equivalent close-to impossible? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

James, I was talking more about an SVG/Canvas equivalent of the sIFR for images thing -- using SVG to skew, tilt and add other border and masking effects not viable in pure CSS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hang on now, sIFR 3 is still in beta! Although, of course, it’s a really cool beta.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry Mark, I read those last fix releases as full releases. It&#8217;s certainly got some nifty features.</p>
<blockquote><p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t an SVG equivalent close-to impossible? </p></blockquote>
<p>James, I was talking more about an SVG/Canvas equivalent of the sIFR for images thing &#8212; using SVG to skew, tilt and add other border and masking effects not viable in pure CSS.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235931</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Perhaps you are aware that the “standards” appear differently in
&#62; different browsers,...

unfortunately, that is true but i think you miss the point? that being what standards represent, to both the users of the internet and us, the developers.

true, for the moment standards are not there for cross browser development but we can only try... if vendors, such as microsoft had to get up off their a*** and comply fully, instead of releasing complete crap half of our battle would be won.

&#62; ...while a Flash piece looks the same across all browsers and OS
&#62; platforms that have the plugin.

i don't have that plugin, and have no intentions of installing it either. i'm sure there are others amongst us who feel the same? but you are right when it comes to cross browsers, so i'll let you have that ;)

&#62; ..., and Real Player is a joke.

isn't it?

finally...

&#62; You don’t get more “standard” than Flash.

flash isn't a standard because of a number of reasons; for one to be able to fully appreciate flash you need said plugin. why should the user be forced to install software just to be able to enjoy it?

with standards, the whole point is that the user isn't forced into making a choice s/he doesn't want to make. just because flash works as is across any number of platforms, doesn't make it a "standard" in the true sense of what the w3c is and what it is trying to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Perhaps you are aware that the “standards” appear differently in<br />
&gt; different browsers,&#8230;</p>
<p>unfortunately, that is true but i think you miss the point? that being what standards represent, to both the users of the internet and us, the developers.</p>
<p>true, for the moment standards are not there for cross browser development but we can only try&#8230; if vendors, such as microsoft had to get up off their a*** and comply fully, instead of releasing complete crap half of our battle would be won.</p>
<p>&gt; &#8230;while a Flash piece looks the same across all browsers and OS<br />
&gt; platforms that have the plugin.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t have that plugin, and have no intentions of installing it either. i&#8217;m sure there are others amongst us who feel the same? but you are right when it comes to cross browsers, so i&#8217;ll let you have that ;)</p>
<p>&gt; &#8230;, and Real Player is a joke.</p>
<p>isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>finally&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt; You don’t get more “standard” than Flash.</p>
<p>flash isn&#8217;t a standard because of a number of reasons; for one to be able to fully appreciate flash you need said plugin. why should the user be forced to install software just to be able to enjoy it?</p>
<p>with standards, the whole point is that the user isn&#8217;t forced into making a choice s/he doesn&#8217;t want to make. just because flash works as is across any number of platforms, doesn&#8217;t make it a &#8220;standard&#8221; in the true sense of what the w3c is and what it is trying to achieve.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: brothercake</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235741</link>
		<dc:creator>brothercake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an SVG equivalent close-to impossible? SVG doesn't embed fonts - it relies on the user's font collection just as CSS does. So short of converting the type into an actual drawing (something I've tried, and it works, but only via a tool like illustrator to create a hard-coded SVG file) .. how could such a thing be possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t an SVG equivalent close-to impossible? SVG doesn&#8217;t embed fonts - it relies on the user&#8217;s font collection just as CSS does. So short of converting the type into an actual drawing (something I&#8217;ve tried, and it works, but only via a tool like illustrator to create a hard-coded SVG file) .. how could such a thing be possible?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark Wubben</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235564</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wubben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on now, sIFR 3 is still in beta! Although, of course, it's a really cool beta.

I'm looking to add Reid's trick as well, along with some other effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on now, sIFR 3 is still in beta! Although, of course, it&#8217;s a really cool beta.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking to add Reid&#8217;s trick as well, along with some other effects.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235392</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Livingstone, I'm no Flash evangelist, but it currently offers the most effective solution to this particular problem -- you currently can't reliable get the some combination cross-browser, selectable, copy-pastable, elegantly degrading dial-a-font with any combination of CSS, JavaScript and HTML. If someone comes up with a better way, people will no doubt choose it. 

Some people will choose not to use it, but others are always going to see value in being able to choose their heading typeface and that's not likely to change. If you've got a better solution, the market is primed.

Get a'codin'!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Livingstone, I&#8217;m no Flash evangelist, but it currently offers the most effective solution to this particular problem &#8212; you currently can&#8217;t reliable get the some combination cross-browser, selectable, copy-pastable, elegantly degrading dial-a-font with any combination of CSS, JavaScript and HTML. If someone comes up with a better way, people will no doubt choose it. </p>
<p>Some people will choose not to use it, but others are always going to see value in being able to choose their heading typeface and that&#8217;s not likely to change. If you&#8217;ve got a better solution, the market is primed.</p>
<p>Get a&#8217;codin&#8217;!  ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jackston</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Livingston-

Perhaps you are aware that the "standards" appear differently in different browsers, while a Flash piece looks the same across all browsers and OS platforms that have the plugin.  Also, flash's video capabilities have been the only one without significant security issues, and they also work cross platform.  Windows media and quicktime are spotty, at best, even after all these years, and Real Player is a joke.

I'll take any solution that let's me avoid the headache of programming rich designs in Microsoft browsers.  You don't get more "standard" than Flash.

Mr. Jackston, A little more tired of CSS layout/appearance issues in Microsoft browsers than usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Livingston-</p>
<p>Perhaps you are aware that the &#8220;standards&#8221; appear differently in different browsers, while a Flash piece looks the same across all browsers and OS platforms that have the plugin.  Also, flash&#8217;s video capabilities have been the only one without significant security issues, and they also work cross platform.  Windows media and quicktime are spotty, at best, even after all these years, and Real Player is a joke.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take any solution that let&#8217;s me avoid the headache of programming rich designs in Microsoft browsers.  You don&#8217;t get more &#8220;standard&#8221; than Flash.</p>
<p>Mr. Jackston, A little more tired of CSS layout/appearance issues in Microsoft browsers than usual.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/04/27/sifr-2007-the-roundup/#comment-235020</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; I can’t imagine that it will be long before we see a an entirely
&#62; JavaScript and SVG/Canvas based equivalent.

exactly, so what is the point of it? never been a fan of flash, never have, and never will. not when there are more enviromentally friendly options available... such as standards for example?

flash? please...

dr livingston, grumpier than usual</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I can’t imagine that it will be long before we see a an entirely<br />
&gt; JavaScript and SVG/Canvas based equivalent.</p>
<p>exactly, so what is the point of it? never been a fan of flash, never have, and never will. not when there are more enviromentally friendly options available&#8230; such as standards for example?</p>
<p>flash? please&#8230;</p>
<p>dr livingston, grumpier than usual</p>]]></content:encoded>
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