Comments on: The real difference between PHP and Python http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:54:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sithembewena Lloyd Dube http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-408698 Sithembewena Lloyd Dube Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:27:17 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-408698 popular python web apps? yelp.com, slide.com(lots of python there), bittorrent.com are some of them. being an intermediate web dev who was raised on strict OO (ASP.NET), i feel more at ease with both, i.e. Python+Webware+Cheetah and/or RoR (most PHP code i've seen looked far too cryptic for the job at hand). i've also seen Smarty, which could change this if used properly. thats just my 2 pennies' worth, and every developer should use the right tool for each job. i dont use my personal preferences as an excuse to be a troll. popular python web apps? yelp.com, slide.com(lots of python there), bittorrent.com are some of them. being an intermediate web dev who was raised on strict OO (ASP.NET), i feel more at ease with both, i.e. Python+Webware+Cheetah and/or RoR (most PHP code i’ve seen looked far too cryptic for the job at hand). i’ve also seen Smarty, which could change this if used properly.

thats just my 2 pennies’ worth, and every developer should use the right tool for each job. i dont use my personal preferences as an excuse to be a troll.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-217740 Anonymous Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:35:26 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-217740 <blockquote>Of course many people use Python but I can’t even think of a popular Python web-app (apart from Django the framework—but that’s not an app) off the top of my head.</blockquote> how about youtube and google ?

Of course many people use Python but I can’t even think of a popular Python web-app (apart from Django the framework—but that’s not an app) off the top of my head.

how about youtube and google ?

]]> By: asp_funda http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-209932 asp_funda Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:53:29 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-209932 @LinhGB: <blockquote>Of course many people use Python but I can't even think of a popular Python web-app (apart from Django the framework—but that's not an app) off the top of my head.</blockquote> Mailman? I think that popular mailing list software is written in Python, no! ;) But yeah, I agree, people should use their time creatively instead of criticising uselessly!! @LinhGB:

Of course many people use Python but I can’t even think of a popular Python web-app (apart from Django the framework—but that’s not an app) off the top of my head.

Mailman? I think that popular mailing list software is written in Python, no! ;) But yeah, I agree, people should use their time creatively instead of criticising uselessly!!

]]> By: maetl http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-209290 maetl Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:14:02 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-209290 BDKR: you're totally right. That reddit thread is full of male geek bullshit. With this kind of crap so prevalent, it's no wonder that the software industry has a problem attracting female developers and compsci enrollements at universities are falling... All programming languages suck. Sure, Python and Ruby are better than most, but they still suck in certain ways. If PHP makes you sick to the stomach, it's a sign you shouldn't be using it. But you have to wonder about people who supposedly don't like PHP, yet are so obsessed with how bad it is they must spew forth countless anon posts ranting about it. SimonG: The Python community has traditionally had more issues with agressive flaming and infighting than most other language communities - it's a much more recent thing with Ruby, largely due to an influx of Rails fanboys. BDKR: you’re totally right. That reddit thread is full of male geek bullshit. With this kind of crap so prevalent, it’s no wonder that the software industry has a problem attracting female developers and compsci enrollements at universities are falling…

All programming languages suck. Sure, Python and Ruby are better than most, but they still suck in certain ways. If PHP makes you sick to the stomach, it’s a sign you shouldn’t be using it. But you have to wonder about people who supposedly don’t like PHP, yet are so obsessed with how bad it is they must spew forth countless anon posts ranting about it.

SimonG: The Python community has traditionally had more issues with agressive flaming and infighting than most other language communities – it’s a much more recent thing with Ruby, largely due to an influx of Rails fanboys.

]]> By: pixelsoul http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-209277 pixelsoul Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:58:28 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-209277 I don't know much about pythong umm python :p but pythong these days is pretty much the standard in 3d apps, so i suppose it would useful if you intend to develop for more then webapps. I don’t know much about pythong umm python :p but pythong these days is pretty much the standard in 3d apps, so i suppose it would useful if you intend to develop for more then webapps.

]]> By: BDKR http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-208602 BDKR Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:22:38 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-208602 I've used Ruby and Python both in addition to PHP. I really think that these kinds of discussions get stupid after a while. The way those guys are acting over at reddit (most of them at least) really shows a lack of maturity. If anybody can't see the plus side of any of the "other" technologies, they are more likely fanatical kool-aid drinkers then real and level headed developers. I’ve used Ruby and Python both in addition to PHP. I really think that these kinds of discussions get stupid after a while. The way those guys are acting over at reddit (most of them at least) really shows a lack of maturity.

If anybody can’t see the plus side of any of the “other” technologies, they are more likely fanatical kool-aid drinkers then real and level headed developers.

]]> By: devmag http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-208457 devmag Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:44:15 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-208457 Hey! Interesting post. I would actually appreciate if you could write or publish here an article about the ZOPE Framework. It is an awesome application- and webserver. There are many CMS solutions that are quite easily adaptable! For example <a href="http://www.zms-publishing.com" rel="nofollow">zms-publishing</a>... Hey!
Interesting post. I would actually appreciate if you could write or publish here an article about the ZOPE Framework. It is an awesome application- and webserver. There are many CMS solutions that are quite easily adaptable! For example zms-publishing…

]]> By: SimonG http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-208107 SimonG Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:49:45 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-208107 LinhGB: There are a number of good python webapps in common use. Many open-source projects use <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" rel="nofollow">Trac</a> for example. Reddit itself is written in python (after moving from Lisp). Not all python fans just trash other languages (in my experience Ruby users are *worse* here), but spend their time <a href="http://cheeseshop.python.org/" rel="nofollow">doing work</a>. --Simon LinhGB: There are a number of good python webapps in common use. Many open-source projects use Trac for example. Reddit itself is written in python (after moving from Lisp).

Not all python fans just trash other languages (in my experience Ruby users are *worse* here), but spend their time doing work.

–Simon

]]> By: Hal9k http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/03/18/the-real-difference-between-php-and-python/comment-page-1/#comment-207865 Hal9k Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:45:33 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1876#comment-207865 Python is a very elegant language and has had proper OO support for a relatively long time. If I could I'd use it over PHP. However Python is harder to install and get running on a server; if you're on a cheap shared host it's not feasible. Wordpress etc. have shown how big the cheap shared host market is. However if you've got the luxury of a root prompt, then I wholeheartedly recommend it. Another big factor is that Python is supposedly a "batteries included" language, which to most part is true, but currently it ships with very little database support. Python is a very elegant language and has had proper OO support for a relatively long time. If I could I’d use it over PHP. However Python is harder to install and get running on a server; if you’re on a cheap shared host it’s not feasible. Wordpress etc. have shown how big the cheap shared host market is. However if you’ve got the luxury of a root prompt, then I wholeheartedly recommend it.

Another big factor is that Python is supposedly a “batteries included” language, which to most part is true, but currently it ships with very little database support.

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