Comments on: Page_Load is Evil http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:35:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: harsha http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-903931 harsha Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:51:47 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-903931 iam satisfied not to use Page_Load ... now what ... how to make things work? can someone paste code snippet showing the way it should be done (using constructors or something else). Thankyou iam satisfied not to use Page_Load … now what … how to make things work? can someone paste code snippet showing the way it should be done (using constructors or something else). Thankyou

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-858243 Anonymous Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:20:11 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-858243 Yes, knowing when to use page events is VERY difficult when you don't know how to read. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178472.aspx <blockquote> It encourages doing everything when the page loads by raw convenience. And doing all that inside this one method. I have seen 300+ line Page_Load methods on an alarmingly regular basis. I have seen entire websites programmed into Page_Load methods. Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a Page_Load method.</blockquote> This statement along with statements 2-4 can be resolved if the developer takes a few minutes to LEARN how things work before slapping code down and shipping it. (300+ line functions in general deserve a good jam session with a book: see Code Complete by Steve McConnell and Refactoring by Martin Fowler) Most of this "article" equates to this statement: "A hammer is evil because it is bad at putting screws in a board." Don't blame a tool for the ignorance of the masses. Reading is fundamental. Yes, knowing when to use page events is VERY difficult when you don’t know how to read.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178472.aspx

It encourages doing everything when the page loads by raw convenience. And doing all that inside this one method. I have seen 300+ line Page_Load methods on an alarmingly regular basis. I have seen entire websites programmed into Page_Load methods. Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a Page_Load method.

This statement along with statements 2-4 can be resolved if the developer takes a few minutes to LEARN how things work before slapping code down and shipping it. (300+ line functions in general deserve a good jam session with a book: see Code Complete by Steve McConnell and Refactoring by Martin Fowler)

Most of this “article” equates to this statement: “A hammer is evil because it is bad at putting screws in a board.” Don’t blame a tool for the ignorance of the masses.

Reading is fundamental.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-806437 Anonymous Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:15:06 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-806437 Adam Toth you are idiot. With such a strategy you should fire yourself first fuc&ing snob. To understand the events sequence it only takes 15 minutes in debugger or 5 minutes on internet for someone who unluckyly gets involved in ASP.NET Why would i to trash my brain w/that bullshit produced by microsoft trying to remember that crap that will be a brand new crap year later? Adam Toth you are idiot. With such a strategy you should fire yourself first fuc&ing snob. To understand the events sequence it only takes 15 minutes in debugger or 5 minutes on internet for someone who unluckyly gets involved in ASP.NET Why would i to trash my brain w/that bullshit produced by microsoft trying to remember that crap that will be a brand new crap year later?

]]> By: inv http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-748157 inv Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:22:58 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-748157 I totally agree with you! I consider myself a good programmer, but as far as asp.net goes i often feel like an idiot. Despite of this, I've managed to create an enterprise search engine frontend that looks really good and works without flaw. And as much as it hurts me to admit it, I have to say that a lot of mye code is in the page_load method! You can accomplish a lot by putting all your stuff there, but its going to cost you a lot in the form of time and hacks (maintainability). I think c#.net is A+ in terms of usability, while asp.net is on the other side of the scale. I also think that this is something MS should take seriously, because the day a better high level framework for web development comes around...i'm making the switch! I totally agree with you! I consider myself a good programmer, but as far as asp.net goes i often feel like an idiot.

Despite of this, I’ve managed to create an enterprise search engine frontend that looks really good and works without flaw. And as much as it hurts me to admit it, I have to say that a lot of mye code is in the page_load method! You can accomplish a lot by putting all your stuff there, but its going to cost you a lot in the form of time and hacks (maintainability).

I think c#.net is A+ in terms of usability, while asp.net is on the other side of the scale. I also think that this is something MS should take seriously, because the day a better high level framework for web development comes around…i’m making the switch!

]]> By: David http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-646971 David Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:57:25 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-646971 Page_Load is not evil, it is just open to often misused.. -David. http<strong>:</strong>//www.davemckay.co.uk Page_Load is not evil, it is just open to often misused..

-David.
http://www.davemckay.co.uk

]]> By: RottenApple http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-615374 RottenApple Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:15:32 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-615374 Page load is not evil. I guess the in house develoment team you lead is incompetent. Page load is not evil. I guess the in house develoment team you lead is incompetent.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-549226 Anonymous Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:35:57 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-549226 > Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a > Page_Load method. Bullshit. > I have seen 300+ line Page_Load methods on an alarmingly regular > basis. I have seen entire websites programmed into Page_Load > methods. You are amongst idiots. Escape! > Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a
> Page_Load method.

Bullshit.

> I have seen 300+ line Page_Load methods on an alarmingly regular
> basis. I have seen entire websites programmed into Page_Load
> methods.

You are amongst idiots. Escape!

]]> By: pfarrell http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-191148 pfarrell Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:49:48 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-191148 Nice post. I love the totally unscientific 95% reasoning. While I like to think that most coders aren't generating shit like that, I can't fail to look at the code I've inherited. Plus, add to fact that consultants tend to want to write unmanageable code for job security... You may not be as off as Darrell thinks <a href="http://patf.net/blogs" rel="nofollow">check out patf.net</a> Nice post. I love the totally unscientific 95% reasoning. While I like to think that most coders aren’t generating shit like that, I can’t fail to look at the code I’ve inherited. Plus, add to fact that consultants tend to want to write unmanageable code for job security… You may not be as off as Darrell thinks

check out patf.net

]]> By: Darrell http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-186404 Darrell Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:45:11 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-186404 <blockquote>Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a Page_Load method. </blockquote> Nonsense! I certainly agree there are a lot of programmers out there that just dump everything in the page_load but to make a ridiculous generalization that 95% of the asp.net code lives in the Page_Load is a gross overstatement.

Probably 95% of the ASP.NET code running in this world lives in a Page_Load method.

Nonsense! I certainly agree there are a lot of programmers out there that just dump everything in the page_load but to make a ridiculous generalization that 95% of the asp.net code lives in the Page_Load is a gross overstatement.

]]> By: Urm http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/21/page_load-is-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-182982 Urm Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:39:57 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1839#comment-182982 Eh yeah .NET PROPRIETARY MS GARBAGE!!!!! MS IS EVIL, NOT JUST SOME SILLY PAGE_LOAD!!!! PHP WOOOO!!!!! MYSQL WOO!!!!!! .NET urm no. Eh yeah .NET PROPRIETARY MS GARBAGE!!!!! MS IS EVIL, NOT JUST SOME SILLY PAGE_LOAD!!!!

PHP WOOOO!!!!! MYSQL WOO!!!!!! .NET urm no.

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