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	<title>Comments on: I’ve Never Met a Boxed CMS I Like</title>
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		<title>By: gregd</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/11/22/i%e2%80%99ve-never-met-a-boxed-cms-i-like/#comment-260421</link>
		<dc:creator>gregd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 07:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone familiar with web programming should be able to build the nuts and bolts of a CMS in a matter of days.  The flexibility of your CMS is going to depend almost entirely on how you plan it out and build it. 

When I first started working for my current employer, I took a look at their CMS.  Clunky, quirky, but works like a charm for what they do (they're a magazine publishing company with over 200K hits a day).  Too many CMS developers out there think that their CMS has to look cutting edge to be respectable.  If you're AJAXing up your CMS, or creating a bunch of cute little icons to dress them up, then you're probably forgetting the real reason that it's there in the first place.

I've added newsletter administration, added a WYSIWYG editor to speed up the conversion of magazine articles to web based articles, created workflows to streamline the process of pushing out the content of our shopper magazines to the web, and added many other features that we actually use.  I don't know how hard it is to add a Google Maps interface to a boxed CMS, but it took about an hour to write one and roll it out on the one we use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone familiar with web programming should be able to build the nuts and bolts of a CMS in a matter of days.  The flexibility of your CMS is going to depend almost entirely on how you plan it out and build it. </p>
<p>When I first started working for my current employer, I took a look at their CMS.  Clunky, quirky, but works like a charm for what they do (they&#8217;re a magazine publishing company with over 200K hits a day).  Too many CMS developers out there think that their CMS has to look cutting edge to be respectable.  If you&#8217;re AJAXing up your CMS, or creating a bunch of cute little icons to dress them up, then you&#8217;re probably forgetting the real reason that it&#8217;s there in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added newsletter administration, added a WYSIWYG editor to speed up the conversion of magazine articles to web based articles, created workflows to streamline the process of pushing out the content of our shopper magazines to the web, and added many other features that we actually use.  I don&#8217;t know how hard it is to add a Google Maps interface to a boxed CMS, but it took about an hour to write one and roll it out on the one we use.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jscheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>jscheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I implemented Joomla for one of my biggest sites, and it's been downhill ever since then. Boxed cms solutions never seem to work. The rest of my sites will be moving over to a custom solution I have built with CakePHP. A solution that I can change for each site fairly easily.

That said, I'd like to take a look at EZpublish, but it still doesn't support php 5. I think it's time everything supported php 5, as it has been out for 2.5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I implemented Joomla for one of my biggest sites, and it&#8217;s been downhill ever since then. Boxed cms solutions never seem to work. The rest of my sites will be moving over to a custom solution I have built with CakePHP. A solution that I can change for each site fairly easily.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d like to take a look at EZpublish, but it still doesn&#8217;t support php 5. I think it&#8217;s time everything supported php 5, as it has been out for 2.5 years.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ian Symonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Symonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a preference for the boxed CMS - but you do have to be aware of the advantages and drawbacks.

The advantages can be summed in that there's already been a significant amout of design, planning and programming gone into them.   You're getting the benefit of lots of experience and feedback already.  Many things that go to make up a CMS are already there.  Templating, workflow, rollback, integrated security, and a simple edit interface are taken for granted when choosing an out of the box system.  

You have to be sure you're choosing the right CMS.  More specificially, the right &lt;em&gt;size&lt;/em&gt; CMS. You'll usually have to accept, that without modification, there can be differences between requirements and expectations (for instance the way security, groups and workflow are managed).  

A bespoke system will have greatly reduced functionality it all has to be written.  It will take more specialised local knowledge.  If the guy who designed and implemented it walks out the door, that knowledge is going to be hard to replace.
Evolutionary growth can be a problem too - without careful planning, a bespoke system which keeps getting modifed and extended can exceed its original architecture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a preference for the boxed CMS - but you do have to be aware of the advantages and drawbacks.</p>
<p>The advantages can be summed in that there&#8217;s already been a significant amout of design, planning and programming gone into them.   You&#8217;re getting the benefit of lots of experience and feedback already.  Many things that go to make up a CMS are already there.  Templating, workflow, rollback, integrated security, and a simple edit interface are taken for granted when choosing an out of the box system.  </p>
<p>You have to be sure you&#8217;re choosing the right CMS.  More specificially, the right <em>size</em> CMS. You&#8217;ll usually have to accept, that without modification, there can be differences between requirements and expectations (for instance the way security, groups and workflow are managed).  </p>
<p>A bespoke system will have greatly reduced functionality it all has to be written.  It will take more specialised local knowledge.  If the guy who designed and implemented it walks out the door, that knowledge is going to be hard to replace.<br />
Evolutionary growth can be a problem too - without careful planning, a bespoke system which keeps getting modifed and extended can exceed its original architecture.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure Joomla is one of the worst culprits of them all, with its vast array of unnecessary features and completely absurd admin panel. That might be why no one's mentioned it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Joomla is one of the worst culprits of them all, with its vast array of unnecessary features and completely absurd admin panel. That might be why no one&#8217;s mentioned it yet.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: anetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>anetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised nobody mentioned &lt;a href="http://www.joomla.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Joomla! CMS&lt;/a&gt;. It's LAMP based, with plenty of features "out of the box". Sure, it does not contain some of author's required features, as a forum, but it has over a 1000 extensions available to install. (OK that would be 2 boxes ;) )
Still, it may be too complicated for average client. Then maybe &lt;a href="http://www.solucija.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;sNews&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised nobody mentioned <a href="http://www.joomla.org" rel="nofollow">Joomla! CMS</a>. It&#8217;s LAMP based, with plenty of features &#8220;out of the box&#8221;. Sure, it does not contain some of author&#8217;s required features, as a forum, but it has over a 1000 extensions available to install. (OK that would be 2 boxes ;) )<br />
Still, it may be too complicated for average client. Then maybe <a href="http://www.solucija.com" rel="nofollow">sNews</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Skweekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skweekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes down to it, most people who dont want to spend thousands of dollars to a developer for a custom application to be built should be damn happy with what is out there. Some of these CMS programs are unweildy but with a bit of time and patience, a site admin should get used to it soon enough.

Take any application. I use Word but probably have never used it for more than typing out my resume. Someone else, on the other hand, has probably developed wizz-bang apps, using macros and VB, to develop cross-office suite masterpieces (who knows? Maybe even a CMS!). My point being, just because the functionality is there doesnt mean that it has to be used. Just work with what you feel you need to best manage your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes down to it, most people who dont want to spend thousands of dollars to a developer for a custom application to be built should be damn happy with what is out there. Some of these CMS programs are unweildy but with a bit of time and patience, a site admin should get used to it soon enough.</p>
<p>Take any application. I use Word but probably have never used it for more than typing out my resume. Someone else, on the other hand, has probably developed wizz-bang apps, using macros and VB, to develop cross-office suite masterpieces (who knows? Maybe even a CMS!). My point being, just because the functionality is there doesnt mean that it has to be used. Just work with what you feel you need to best manage your site.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: arlandean</title>
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		<dc:creator>arlandean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I thought it was just me. All these years suffering in silence and shame because I always thought I should be doing a better job of using boxed CMS apps. 

Where was this post when I had to coax a client off the roof because I told them "Hey, once we get this up and running you can add content yourself!"? Where was this post when I joined the client up there on the roof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I thought it was just me. All these years suffering in silence and shame because I always thought I should be doing a better job of using boxed CMS apps. </p>
<p>Where was this post when I had to coax a client off the roof because I told them &#8220;Hey, once we get this up and running you can add content yourself!&#8221;? Where was this post when I joined the client up there on the roof?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lukemeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukemeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I've found (I'm a programmer at the core) that my own homebrew system is consistently by best ally. I could see how non-programmers would need a nice framework kit to play off, but my opinion is that if you are going to run cm's, understand the available 3rd party systems and use the strengths to your advatage, or just hire a programmer to do what you need. It's amazing what a computer science major can come up with, for any platform, if you convey your ideas correctly. If you can code, even fairly well, build your own system. It'll more specifically do what you need, and you'll gain invaluable experience to make yourself more marketable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I&#8217;ve found (I&#8217;m a programmer at the core) that my own homebrew system is consistently by best ally. I could see how non-programmers would need a nice framework kit to play off, but my opinion is that if you are going to run cm&#8217;s, understand the available 3rd party systems and use the strengths to your advatage, or just hire a programmer to do what you need. It&#8217;s amazing what a computer science major can come up with, for any platform, if you convey your ideas correctly. If you can code, even fairly well, build your own system. It&#8217;ll more specifically do what you need, and you&#8217;ll gain invaluable experience to make yourself more marketable.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: micreate</title>
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		<dc:creator>micreate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;probably has a half-dozen more features than you need.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with many of the problems with a boxed CMS, but I think the modular approach of &lt;a href="http://drupal.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Drupal&lt;/a&gt; helps deal with this issue.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And then the controlling party of your boxed CMS —be it a vendor or the open source project—releases an update. And, more often than not, this update breaks your changes, rendering your implementation of the application useless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It helps to use version control e.g. subversion.

For sites that need limited content management I have been using &lt;a href="http://cakephp.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;CakePHP&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>probably has a half-dozen more features than you need.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with many of the problems with a boxed CMS, but I think the modular approach of <a href="http://drupal.org" rel="nofollow">Drupal</a> helps deal with this issue.</p>
<blockquote><p>And then the controlling party of your boxed CMS —be it a vendor or the open source project—releases an update. And, more often than not, this update breaks your changes, rendering your implementation of the application useless.</p></blockquote>
<p>It helps to use version control e.g. subversion.</p>
<p>For sites that need limited content management I have been using <a href="http://cakephp.org/" rel="nofollow">CakePHP</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've worked with a team that have designed, built and implemented box CMS products for about 8 years. We regularly experience expectation gap, requirements mismatch as well as the unfortunate half baked add ins "quick, we need a blog module". The key to success is continous improvement. Listen to your customers and grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with a team that have designed, built and implemented box CMS products for about 8 years. We regularly experience expectation gap, requirements mismatch as well as the unfortunate half baked add ins &#8220;quick, we need a blog module&#8221;. The key to success is continous improvement. Listen to your customers and grow.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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