Comments on: Warming up to Yahoo! UI

By: Trebloc

Trebloc — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 06:27:44 +0000

Dang skeeterbug, you weren’t kidding. Using YUI to implement a basic slider has taken me 1 hour and running (and I still can’t get the thing to work). Using that Carpe slider took about 30 seconds!! Not only that, I now see how it all works and can changes things to suit my needs.

I’ve noticed quite a few Ajax libraries that, as time goes on, become more and more difficult to use until they are more trouble than they are worth. moofx has become one of those. Their initial offerings were so easy to understand that you could make use of them in seconds and with very little code. Lately everything is documented in such a way that, while it looks real cool and technical, is so confusing that I’m reminded of the first time I tried a Haskell tutorial. Bummer.

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By: ZuulJin

ZuulJin — Mon, 22 May 2006 22:56:51 +0000

Just as you mentioned, I’ve found the YUI page grids to be “just what the doctor ordered”. Flexible enough to accommodate most layouts effectively, especially for the web application developer crowd who just want to get their apps done.

I’ve begun combining the YUI page grids, reset-css, and fonts-css into a Visual Studio.Net 2005 starter kit with the Microsoft Atlas framework.

The goal of my starter kit is simply that, to get you started. I’ve been frustrated by past VS.NET starter kits simply because they’re too complete. They’re good, but too far along the development cycle (for my tastes).

My starter kit will help in developing Atlas/YUI based sites by providing all the raw materials needed to get started, for every project. In addition, Christopher at http://www.exploding-boy.com has graciously allowed me to provide his CSS menus with the kit.

The kit is currently in beta, available from http://www.atlasyuistarterkit.com. The official v1.0 should be released by this weekend.

Thanks for this post Harry, YUI could use more exposure.

By: mrsmiley

mrsmiley — Mon, 22 May 2006 05:06:47 +0000

skeeterbug, there are several things that the yui slider does that the carpe one doesn’t, and are namely in the areas of usability and accessibility. For example, you can click on the track and tick marks on the yui version to move the slider, but not on the carpe version. Plus the yui version also supports keyboard events like the arrow keys.

Are you willing to sacrifice user experience and accessibility for an easier development implementation?

By: mrsmiley

mrsmiley — Sun, 21 May 2006 22:27:23 +0000

I’ve been tempted to try them as I’m about to redesign the interface for one of my web apps, the only demo that I’ve been less than impressed with is the Tree control. Under IE6 and a 512K ADSL connection you still have to wait for the icons to change and update. Would be nicer if the images were cached so that delay isn’t there between image state changes. Relying on the browser to do it for you isn’t always the best idea.

By: Selkirk

Selkirk — Sun, 21 May 2006 15:17:44 +0000

I share your impression Harry. I’m impressed by the YUI

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 21 May 2006 02:34:12 +0000

polvero, i’m not talking about a bug, i’m talking about an implementation from *hell* unless you are adept at javascript.

go ahead, try and implement yui’s slider based on their web instructions. blank screen. when you view their example in the docs, they have a ~100 lines of code… for a slider?

compare the two implementations… one clean, concise and efficient (by a single dev) and one a holy mess of code (try and implement it!) from a team of “expert” develoeprs.

now, implement carpe’s slider.

that isn’t to say they didn’t have a reason to make implementation a code mess… i just don’t know what it is… and it might be my ignorance. it could also be they over thought the application and didn’t even consider the user.

however, if someone wants a slider, i know which one i’d recommend… carpe over yui every day of the week. now, if you have an edge case that requires increasing complexity 10 fold… use yui.

By: polvero

polvero — Sat, 20 May 2006 01:12:23 +0000

Typical of most developers. Find one bug that is possibly a bit more difficult to implement – and are instantly unimpressed.

@Keith, Karl, Skeeterbug: You should look into sending in suggestions and bugs to the YUI team. Go to the Sourceforge project page and get in all your requests, bugs or concerns there: http://sourceforge.net/projects/yui

By: skeeterbug

skeeterbug — Fri, 19 May 2006 23:16:03 +0000

i gotta say… i’m not improessed with YUI’s implementation.

check out this slider…

http://carpe.ambiprospect.com/slider/

it is nearly equivalent, but its implementation is intuitive and DRAMATICALLY easier.

read pages and pages of docs and have to insert 50 line sof code to get functionality… nope.

i’m underwhelmed with YUI’s slider implementation. it is nice… but WAAAAAY over complicated.