Comments on: Flex 2 is not “all or nothing” http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:35:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: MrsCarey http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-433738 MrsCarey Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:19:28 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-433738 FYI your RSS seems to be broken. FYI your RSS seems to be broken.

]]> By: Niklas Richardson http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16541 Niklas Richardson Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:56:00 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16541 Hi Kevin, I suggest updating your posting with the new information you have about the Flex SDK being free and also there being a free version of Flex Data Services. It will help give the right information to people that read your blog. Regards Niklas Prismix Ltd Hi Kevin,

I suggest updating your posting with the new information you have about the Flex SDK being free and also there being a free version of Flex Data Services.

It will help give the right information to people that read your blog.

Regards

Niklas

Prismix Ltd

]]> By: Kevin Yank http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16396 Kevin Yank Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:15:54 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16396 <blockquote>Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You’ll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it.</blockquote> Thanks for clarifying this! I wish Macromedia had told me this when <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/" rel="nofollow">I spoke with them last year</a>. I can stomach paying ~$1,000 for a powerful IDE for a free platform a lot better than I can stomach paying for a license to use the platform.

Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You’ll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it.

Thanks for clarifying this! I wish Macromedia had told me this when I spoke with them last year. I can stomach paying ~$1,000 for a powerful IDE for a free platform a lot better than I can stomach paying for a license to use the platform.

]]> By: Mike Chambers http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16381 Mike Chambers Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:37:19 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16381 <blockquote>Your statement “Because Macromedia Adobe will not be offering free licenses for non-commercial users of Flex 2″ is somewhat misleading. Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You’ll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it.</blockquote> Yes. That is true, the SDK which among other things includes the compiler (MXMLC) and Framework libraries will be free. mike chambers mesh@adobe.com

Your statement “Because Macromedia Adobe will not be offering free licenses for non-commercial users of Flex 2″ is somewhat misleading. Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You’ll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it.

Yes. That is true, the SDK which among other things includes the compiler (MXMLC) and Framework libraries will be free.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

]]> By: Matt http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16380 Matt Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:34:50 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16380 The Flex 2 SDK will be free. There will be a limited-use (concurrent connections limited) version of the Flex Data Services also available for free. Yes, it's free as in beer but I think many folks will find it sufficient. The Flex 2 SDK will be free. There will be a limited-use (concurrent connections limited) version of the Flex Data Services also available for free. Yes, it’s free as in beer but I think many folks will find it sufficient.

]]> By: Geof Harries http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16379 Geof Harries Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:25:07 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16379 I am getting back into ColdFusion and running through Flex tutorials these days. This is because while we can be somewhat confident that AJAX and DOM scripting will catch up with the RIA capabilities already built into Flex, I believe the next few years there will be a lot of very complex apps (with video, audio, etc.) that the traditional HTML combo just can't handle, or at least display very nicely. Then again, I could be wrong. But it's worth a shot if I'm right. I am getting back into ColdFusion and running through Flex tutorials these days. This is because while we can be somewhat confident that AJAX and DOM scripting will catch up with the RIA capabilities already built into Flex, I believe the next few years there will be a lot of very complex apps (with video, audio, etc.) that the traditional HTML combo just can’t handle, or at least display very nicely.

Then again, I could be wrong. But it’s worth a shot if I’m right.

]]> By: bonefry http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16348 bonefry Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:56:51 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16348 <blockquote>though open laszlo is very cool and capable to produce reat rich internet applications it is not an option for flash development. It is much more ‘all or nothing’ approach than flex. I have evaluated it for an application that should have rich flash interface and found following problems with laszlo ...</blockquote> Well, because Laszlo is not dependent on the underlying Flash VM. They already announced they want to provide an AJAX alternative this year, and are thinking about providing a <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/winfx/reference/presentation/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Microsoft's WPF</a> Well ... you are right that it is not an option for Flash development, but it can replace it succesfully.

though open laszlo is very cool and capable to produce reat rich internet applications it is not an option for flash development.
It is much more ‘all or nothing’ approach than flex. I have evaluated it for an application that should have rich flash interface and found following problems with laszlo …

Well, because Laszlo is not dependent on the underlying Flash VM. They already announced they want to provide an AJAX alternative this year, and are thinking about providing a Microsoft’s WPF

Well … you are right that it is not an option for Flash development, but it can replace it succesfully.

]]> By: Joe Rinehart http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16346 Joe Rinehart Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:29:01 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16346 Hey Kevin, Your statement "Because Macromedia Adobe will not be offering free licenses for non-commercial users of Flex 2" is somewhat misleading. Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You'll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it. Hey Kevin,

Your statement “Because Macromedia Adobe will not be offering free licenses for non-commercial users of Flex 2″ is somewhat misleading. Adobe has stated that the command-line compiler and SDK for developing Flex 2 applications will be released free of charge to anyone who wants it. You’ll have to pay to play with the Flex Data Services server, but the cost of entry for writing a SOAP, HTTP, or ColdFusion-based Flex app is now zero as far as I understand it.

]]> By: baron.pampa http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16333 baron.pampa Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:24:31 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16333 though open laszlo is very cool and capable to produce reat rich internet applications it is not an option for flash development. It is much more 'all or nothing' approach than flex. I have evaluated it for an application that should have rich flash interface and found following problems with laszlo: 1) it uses it's own javascript implementation that compiles directly to flash bytecode. It is NOT actionscript, you can't use any 3rd party AS libraries. 2) you can't use the flash vm or any actionscript features directly in a laszlo application. 3) you can't import swf files that contain actionscipt (well you can, but laszlo developers strongly advise against it and you can't interface with it from your laszlo code) I ended up using mtasc + swfmill with a simple widget library. The closest open source thing to flex is the combination of swfmill, mtasc compiler, ASwing or ActionStep UI library and amfphp on the server. though open laszlo is very cool and capable to produce reat rich internet applications it is not an option for flash development.
It is much more ‘all or nothing’ approach than flex. I have evaluated it for an application that should have rich flash interface and found following problems with laszlo:
1) it uses it’s own javascript implementation that compiles directly to flash bytecode. It is NOT actionscript, you can’t use any 3rd party AS libraries.
2) you can’t use the flash vm or any actionscript features directly in a laszlo application.
3) you can’t import swf files that contain actionscipt (well you can, but laszlo developers strongly advise against it and you can’t interface with it from your laszlo code)

I ended up using mtasc + swfmill with a simple widget library.

The closest open source thing to flex is the combination of swfmill, mtasc compiler, ASwing or ActionStep UI library and amfphp on the server.

]]> By: rossriley http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16332 rossriley Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:22:00 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/24/flex-2-is-not-all-or-nothing/#comment-16332 Yes I was going to say that as well.... OpenLaszlo will soon have the option of deploying in either Flash or DHTML/AJAX. I doubt if flex will be any more interesting. Yes I was going to say that as well…. OpenLaszlo will soon have the option of deploying in either Flash or DHTML/AJAX. I doubt if flex will be any more interesting.

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