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		<title>By: SyntheticRabbit: Blog &#62; News for the week of 3/8/06</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15334</link>
		<dc:creator>SyntheticRabbit: Blog &#62; News for the week of 3/8/06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zend Framework is out. What will this mean for the Ruby on Rails community? Or am I missing something? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zend Framework is out. What will this mean for the Ruby on Rails community? Or am I missing something? [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: PHP-DSL at Suttree, Elixir for Immortal Baboon</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15313</link>
		<dc:creator>PHP-DSL at Suttree, Elixir for Immortal Baboon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Deep joy, the Zend framework launches&#8230; and gives rise to a wave of irritated reactions (the future of php is more depressing than ever, php developed &#8216;exclusively&#8217; by 20 zend employees) and belated, warm applause (Zend Framework is out, it&#8217;s SitePoint, though, do be careful with those mouseclick-triggered, article obtrusive popups). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Deep joy, the Zend framework launches&#8230; and gives rise to a wave of irritated reactions (the future of php is more depressing than ever, php developed &#8216;exclusively&#8217; by 20 zend employees) and belated, warm applause (Zend Framework is out, it&#8217;s SitePoint, though, do be careful with those mouseclick-triggered, article obtrusive popups). [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nikobass</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15202</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikobass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your response Harry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response Harry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SitePoint Blogs &#187; Zend Framework: Looking Good</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15132</link>
		<dc:creator>SitePoint Blogs &#187; Zend Framework: Looking Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog Post   Blogs &#187;  PHP &#187; Zend Framework: Looking Good   &#171; Zend Framework is out   &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog Post   Blogs &#187;  PHP &#187; Zend Framework: Looking Good   &laquo; Zend Framework is out   &nbsp; [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: malikyte</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15119</link>
		<dc:creator>malikyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to assume that the framework lends itself to a certain areas of using services from sites such as Yahoo and/or Amazon because those companies happen to have PHP people working there.  (i.e.: Rasmus -&gt; Yahoo)

I think for a core and initial release it&#039;s a mistake.  Worry about the basics and put out eye-candy later.  If the main meal isn&#039;t prepared well, who cares about the side-dishes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to assume that the framework lends itself to a certain areas of using services from sites such as Yahoo and/or Amazon because those companies happen to have PHP people working there.  (i.e.: Rasmus -&gt; Yahoo)</p>
<p>I think for a core and initial release it&#8217;s a mistake.  Worry about the basics and put out eye-candy later.  If the main meal isn&#8217;t prepared well, who cares about the side-dishes?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15108</link>
		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Is it just me, or is the documention all messed up? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You need to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://andigutmans.blogspot.com/2006/03/quick-zend-framework-update.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Is it just me, or is the documention all messed up?
</p></blockquote>
<p>You need to read <a href="http://andigutmans.blogspot.com/2006/03/quick-zend-framework-update.html" rel="nofollow">this</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: basbd</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15107</link>
		<dc:creator>basbd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or is the documention all messed up?  For instance, in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://framework.zend.com/manual/zend.db.dataobject.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zend_Db_DataObject&lt;/a&gt; docs, the first code example requires the ZActiveRecord class and makes a call to the setDatabaseAdapter function:

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;require_once(&#039;ZActiveRecord/ZActiveRecord.php&#039;);

// Create a ZDBAdapter for ZActiveRecordBase.
$db = new ZDBAdapterMySQL(array(&#039;host&#039;     =&gt; &#039;localhost&#039;,
                                &#039;username&#039; =&gt; &#039;user&#039;,
                                &#039;password&#039; =&gt; &#039;password&#039;,
                                &#039;database&#039; =&gt; &#039;test&#039;));

ZActiveRecord::setDatabaseAdapter($db);&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

But no ZActiveRecord file/class exists in the framework. Another example:  to create a database object, the documentation provides this code:

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;require_once &#039;Zend/Db.php&#039;;
$params = array (
    &#039;adapter&#039;  =&gt; &#039;pdoMysql&#039;,
    &#039;host&#039;     =&gt; &#039;127.0.0.1&#039;,
    &#039;username&#039; =&gt; &#039;malory&#039;,
    &#039;password&#039; =&gt; &#039;******&#039;,
    &#039;dbname&#039;   =&gt; &#039;camelot&#039;
);

$db = Zend_Db::factory($params);&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

But running this will throw an exception, because the correct call to the factory function requires the adapter as the first parameter, like so:

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;$db = Zend_Db::factory(&#039;pdo_Mysql&#039;, $params);&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

Seems like some blarring inconsistencies between the code and the documentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or is the documention all messed up?  For instance, in the <a href="http://framework.zend.com/manual/zend.db.dataobject.html" rel="nofollow">Zend_Db_DataObject</a> docs, the first code example requires the ZActiveRecord class and makes a call to the setDatabaseAdapter function:</p>
<pre><code>require_once('ZActiveRecord/ZActiveRecord.php');

// Create a ZDBAdapter for ZActiveRecordBase.
$db = new ZDBAdapterMySQL(array('host'     =&gt; 'localhost',
                                'username' =&gt; 'user',
                                'password' =&gt; 'password',
                                'database' =&gt; 'test'));

ZActiveRecord::setDatabaseAdapter($db);</code></pre>
<p>But no ZActiveRecord file/class exists in the framework. Another example:  to create a database object, the documentation provides this code:</p>
<pre><code>require_once 'Zend/Db.php';
$params = array (
    'adapter'  =&gt; 'pdoMysql',
    'host'     =&gt; '127.0.0.1',
    'username' =&gt; 'malory',
    'password' =&gt; '******',
    'dbname'   =&gt; 'camelot'
);

$db = Zend_Db::factory($params);</code></pre>
<p>But running this will throw an exception, because the correct call to the factory function requires the adapter as the first parameter, like so:</p>
<pre><code>$db = Zend_Db::factory('pdo_Mysql', $params);</code></pre>
<p>Seems like some blarring inconsistencies between the code and the documentation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Particularily interested in that Lucene stuff ATM—search is something I think noone has solved well in PHP yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seems pretty good. It has limitations that need more work to remove. Atm it can only create an index, or query one. Imagine alot of people would like to either remove indexed documents, or update a indexed document, neither seems possible atm. So using it in things like Wikis etc are limited for the time being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Particularily interested in that Lucene stuff ATM—search is something I think noone has solved well in PHP yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seems pretty good. It has limitations that need more work to remove. Atm it can only create an index, or query one. Imagine alot of people would like to either remove indexed documents, or update a indexed document, neither seems possible atm. So using it in things like Wikis etc are limited for the time being.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15100</link>
		<dc:creator>lsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember that they are targetting 5.0.x as the minimal version and so they cannot rely on newer bundle extensions (thats why they do not even rely on pdo).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember that they are targetting 5.0.x as the minimal version and so they cannot rely on newer bundle extensions (thats why they do not even rely on pdo).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/03/04/zend-framework-is-out/comment-page-1/#comment-15098</link>
		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Not quite sure why the JSON is there, as been using the extension which I thought was getting incorporated into the core at some point.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Likewise that puzzles me. I don&#039;t feel like I have a right to an opinion yet - there&#039;s too many eyes watching and it&#039;s too easy to be flippant without really looking. But, despite that, there what seem some strange choices in there (along with what seem good ones) - in particular I wonder about a framework which effectively markets the services of companies like &lt;del&gt;Google&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;Amazon&lt;/ins&gt; and Yahoo so early in it&#039;s design - perhaps there&#039;s a demand and perhaps it helps promote but still.

Particularily interested in that Lucene stuff ATM - search is something I think noone has solved well in PHP yet.

May dump some first impressions eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Not quite sure why the JSON is there, as been using the extension which I thought was getting incorporated into the core at some point.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Likewise that puzzles me. I don&#8217;t feel like I have a right to an opinion yet &#8211; there&#8217;s too many eyes watching and it&#8217;s too easy to be flippant without really looking. But, despite that, there what seem some strange choices in there (along with what seem good ones) &#8211; in particular I wonder about a framework which effectively markets the services of companies like <del>Google</del> <ins>Amazon</ins> and Yahoo so early in it&#8217;s design &#8211; perhaps there&#8217;s a demand and perhaps it helps promote but still.</p>
<p>Particularily interested in that Lucene stuff ATM &#8211; search is something I think noone has solved well in PHP yet.</p>
<p>May dump some first impressions eventually.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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