Comments on: Two kinds of AJAX: HTML++ vs Client / SOA

By: hekimboard

hekimboard — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:26:00 +0000

thanks richardson.ı missed you.

By: afongen » Ajax Security, Part I

afongen » Ajax Security, Part I — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:59:15 +0000

[...] Ajax use in web applications falls along a spectrum ranging from small usability enhancements such as auto-populating a drop-down without reloading the page (dubbed by Harry Fuecks as HTML++), to mopre full-blown client-side apps, where lots of business logic is in JavaScript on the browser. How you choose to use Ajax will affect your security posture, as we will explore in future posts. [...]

By: Ajaxian » AJAX and Session “Race Conditions”

Ajaxian » AJAX and Session “Race Conditions” — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:38:01 +0000

[...] Now before I go any further—this is not a PHP problem despite the title (I hope the web ring is paying attention)- this is is a feature of HTTP—it’s stateless. The problem is really the blurring of lines AJAX introduces—this goes right to the line between the two kinds of AJAX – is the client or the server managing state? [...]

By: Tech2All.Com

Tech2All.Com — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:02:36 +0000

Looks like Tech2All.com stole this post

Whats your abbreviation of “stealing”… While provide link to the Original Site.. Anyway Doesn’t matter..

By: someonewhois

someonewhois — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:42:06 +0000

I hear ++HTML is slightly faster than HTML++… ;)

By: AlexW

AlexW — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:53:31 +0000

Looks like Tech2All.com stole this post:

Thanks for pointing that out, Joshua. We’re on it.

By: Dion Hinchcliffe

Dion Hinchcliffe — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:00:08 +0000

Great material, though I think Client/SOA will require less specialist developer talent pretty quickly as tools step in to help with the grunt work.

More coverage of this here on my ZDNet blog.

Keep up the great work,

Best,

Dion

By: Joshua Eichorn

Joshua Eichorn — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:32:13 +0000

Looks like Tech2All.com stole this post: www.tech2all.com/2006/02/17/two-kinds-of-ajax-html-vs-client-soa/

By: It’s a free world, baby… » PHP UK Conference 2006 - Bilder

It’s a free world, baby… » PHP UK Conference 2006 - Bilder — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:28:46 +0000

[...] Teilweise nachzulesen in Harry’s Blog auf http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/02/15/two-kinds-of-ajax-html-vs-client-soa/ [...]

By: Software As She’s Developed - Ajax Lite Versus Ajax Deluxe

Software As She’s Developed - Ajax Lite Versus Ajax Deluxe — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:32:46 +0000

[...] Harry Fuecks suggests there are two types of Ajax apps: HTML++ and Client/SOA. This is something I’ve noticed too, and it cuts right across the Ajax architecture, impacting on the user-interface, the physical architecture (browser-server separation) and the abilities of the developers involved. [...]

By: Jaffa The Cake

Jaffa The Cake — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:59:55 +0000

I hate pointless buzzwords. Or as I prefer to call them, PLeBz.

Everyone start using the word PLeBz! Please! It’ll make me famous! Then I can write a book called “Web3.11++AJAX JSON The PLeBz generation” and make lots of money! Yey for buzzwords! They’re much more fun than articles on meaningfull web practice.

And before someone thinks they’re being clever, I’m being a sarcastic sod.

…

Or a “sarcod”, as I prefer to call it.

By: HarryF

HarryF — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:21:05 +0000

LOL more pointless buzzwords. And this time the author has made them up. As guiness would say, brilliant!

Come on. Inventing buzzwords beats doing real work any day ;)

By: Mr. Buzzword

Mr. Buzzword — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:06:54 +0000

LOL more pointless buzzwords. And this time the author has made them up. As guiness would say, brilliant!

By: Ajax Lessons » Two kinds of AJAX: HTML++ vs Client / SOA

Ajax Lessons » Two kinds of AJAX: HTML++ vs Client / SOA — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:54:33 +0000

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By: Nels Wadycki » Blog Archive » Gmail = HTML++, Mvelopes = Client / SOA

Nels Wadycki » Blog Archive » Gmail = HTML++, Mvelopes = Client / SOA — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:35:42 +0000

[...] SitePoint’s PHP Blog (of all places): AJAX is used to enhance existing HTML forms / user interaction but the fundamental paradigm is still the same as “normal” web applications. Some key smells of this style; [...]

By: Patrick Breitenbach

Patrick Breitenbach — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:58:32 +0000

GenInterface, which was purchased by Tibco, provided incredibly robust one-window browser-based apps way before “Ajax” was coined. Its tech shows up in Tibco’s software:
http://www.tibco.com/software/business_optimization/gi_resource_center.jsp

They were doing things like pulling down large quantities of data and being able to sort and filter them locally. All in the browser.

By: Jaffa The Cake

Jaffa The Cake — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:10:02 +0000

Yes, thankyou, that was the joke.

By: coffee_ninja

coffee_ninja — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:36:13 +0000

More meaningless buzzwords. Hooo-raa. Ever since ‘AJAX’ became a popular term…

These bloggers, or BloWOEs as I call them (Bloggers With Oversized Ego)…

I sincerely hope you were trying to be humorous by inventing a new term for people who invent terms :) Otherwise, pot/kettle/black.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:17:30 +0000

Another client/soa product…

this one won InfoWorld 2006 Technology of the Year award: TIBCO General Interface, which has been shipping in market since 2001. It’s very cool with lots of components, communication methods and a visual tooling package that itself is an Ajax app. The drag and drop binding to XML and SOAP messages is pretty sweet I must say (but I’m biased becuase I’m from tibco). Nonetheless take a look.

See InfoWorld’s coverage: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/05/25.html

… or get it at http://www.tibco.com/mk/gi

–Kevin @ Tibco.

By: Jaffa The Cake

Jaffa The Cake — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:15:45 +0000

More meaningless buzzwords. Hooo-raa. Ever since ‘AJAX’ became a popular term it seems that every single webdev blog author is on a mission to create their very own buzzword.

These bloggers, or BloWOEs as I call them (Bloggers With Oversized Ego), need to stop this pathetic self promotion and get back to talking about actual methods.

Let’s put an end to all the BloWOEs.

By: cedric

cedric — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:08:44 +0000

Thanks for mentionning my work with the Freja framework. I think you nailed it by making this distinction in the Ajax field (html++ vs. fat client/soa). So much attention is on the xmlHttpRequest object right now that I feel I’m not doing the same thing at all.

With Freja you can effectively implement a Client / SOA application. But Freja is a lightweight framework, mostly focused on client-side application state handling and UI rendering, far from being as ambitious as Tibet.

By: A Mountain Top

A Mountain Top — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:22:07 +0000

HTML++, Client/SOA and Web 2.1

Harry Feucks over at Sitepoint just put up a great article about the different uses of Ajax out in the wild today. He affectionately calls the two categories, HTML++ and Client/SOA. I would suggest reading his

By: Ajaxian » Two kinds of AJAX: HTML++ vs Client / SOA

Ajaxian » Two kinds of AJAX: HTML++ vs Client / SOA — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:51:19 +0000

[...] On the SitePoint PHP Blog, Harry Fuecks discusses what he sees as the two types of Ajax applications out there – “HTML++” and the standard “Client/SOA” model. [...]