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		<title>By: David J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan:

When do you collect the remaining 10%?  :)  (30% + 30% + 30% = 90%)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan:</p>
<p>When do you collect the remaining 10%?  :)  (30% + 30% + 30% = 90%)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jdanylko</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/01/16/the-case-of-the-disappearing-client/#comment-13578</link>
		<dc:creator>jdanylko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaza,

Two things:

1). The due date should have been defined in the contract (You DID have a contract, right?:-) with the client.

2). 10% may be a little weak to know if a potential client is serious enough. I usually set up the following payment system:

- 30% up front (this tells me the client is DEFINITELY serious)
- 30% in the middle of the project (to make sure we are going down the right path)
- 30% at the end of the project (Project Completed according to the contract/spec)

Everything should have been defined in your proposal to the client. When you don't have anything in writing, the sky is the limit.

Hope this helps.
Jonathan Danylko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaza,</p>
<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1). The due date should have been defined in the contract (You DID have a contract, right?:-) with the client.</p>
<p>2). 10% may be a little weak to know if a potential client is serious enough. I usually set up the following payment system:</p>
<p>- 30% up front (this tells me the client is DEFINITELY serious)<br />
- 30% in the middle of the project (to make sure we are going down the right path)<br />
- 30% at the end of the project (Project Completed according to the contract/spec)</p>
<p>Everything should have been defined in your proposal to the client. When you don&#8217;t have anything in writing, the sky is the limit.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br />
Jonathan Danylko</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jaza</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/01/16/the-case-of-the-disappearing-client/#comment-13567</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One client of mine has been making me feel very frustrated lately. He got me to do a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of work for him a few months ago, and assured me that he was eager to get the whole project finished ASAP. Then, I didn't hear a word from him for about 6 weeks.

When I finally did get hold of him a few weeks ago, he told me that he'd lost his phone and all his contacts, and that he'd had some big family events (including a wedding) that had kept him tied up. Once again, he assured me that he wanted to get the project finished. But as with the last time he told me this, he didn't give me a list of what still needed doing, and once again I've hardly heard from him in weeks.

I'm particularly worried, because I only charged 10% upfront, and at this rate, I don't know if I'll ever see the full amount that I'm owed. Maybe I should change my policy, and start charging 50% upfront, like most people seem to be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One client of mine has been making me feel very frustrated lately. He got me to do a <em>lot</em> of work for him a few months ago, and assured me that he was eager to get the whole project finished ASAP. Then, I didn&#8217;t hear a word from him for about 6 weeks.</p>
<p>When I finally did get hold of him a few weeks ago, he told me that he&#8217;d lost his phone and all his contacts, and that he&#8217;d had some big family events (including a wedding) that had kept him tied up. Once again, he assured me that he wanted to get the project finished. But as with the last time he told me this, he didn&#8217;t give me a list of what still needed doing, and once again I&#8217;ve hardly heard from him in weeks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly worried, because I only charged 10% upfront, and at this rate, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll ever see the full amount that I&#8217;m owed. Maybe I should change my policy, and start charging 50% upfront, like most people seem to be doing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: milette</title>
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		<dc:creator>milette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that my worst non-paying clients are based in Australia. 

Two so far -- one disappeared after paying half up front and the work was completed. Yep, he promised and promised and promised to pay but two years later -- nada.

The second I flew to Australia to meet and work with (from Russia) -- he promised to pay for the airfare and expenses but the day I was leaving he came up with the "I'll send it to you when you get back" story and never paid.

If I were working for any other company in Australia -- I'd get 100% up front or never work one dollar beyond what was paid in advance. 

US customers are generally no problem -- their legal system has plenty of shark laywers to keep clients moving unless they are bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that my worst non-paying clients are based in Australia. </p>
<p>Two so far &#8212; one disappeared after paying half up front and the work was completed. Yep, he promised and promised and promised to pay but two years later &#8212; nada.</p>
<p>The second I flew to Australia to meet and work with (from Russia) &#8212; he promised to pay for the airfare and expenses but the day I was leaving he came up with the &#8220;I&#8217;ll send it to you when you get back&#8221; story and never paid.</p>
<p>If I were working for any other company in Australia &#8212; I&#8217;d get 100% up front or never work one dollar beyond what was paid in advance. </p>
<p>US customers are generally no problem &#8212; their legal system has plenty of shark laywers to keep clients moving unless they are bankrupt.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pontiacman</title>
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		<dc:creator>pontiacman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Iv had a client disappear twice. The second time being now.. Sadly, we must use law to settle this issue now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Iv had a client disappear twice. The second time being now.. Sadly, we must use law to settle this issue now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nemanja_nq</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemanja_nq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this is SO TRUE! At start I was thingking something like:
She/he don`t loves me. LOL :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is SO TRUE! At start I was thingking something like:<br />
She/he don`t loves me. LOL :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: asp_funda</title>
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		<dc:creator>asp_funda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When a client disappears, don't say or do anything drastic until you have the facts. Keep delivering. Assume the best. Be professional in your correspondence. And don't let your brain and its crazy negative thoughts make you do something stupid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
well, thats some sound advice. :) but sometimes the wait may last forever. at my last job, I was handling a website for a client with whom the only communication methods we had were phone/fax or email since he was from another country. now that client paid 50% advance before starting the project, okayed the design &#38; specs etc. &#38; we were going on full steam. As per our work-policies, we sent links to him to show off some new sections &#38; stuff &#38; the working features, but got no reply. no phone calls were returned, no emails, so after a week of futile attempts to contact him, we put the project on hold. now its been more than 17 months, I'm no longer with my last company, but I still know for a fact that that client hasn't called back yet. so it has been assumed that either he's no longer interested in the project or his company has gone bankrupt. that website's still lying there on my ex-company's intranet server, unfinished &#38; orphaned!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When a client disappears, don&#8217;t say or do anything drastic until you have the facts. Keep delivering. Assume the best. Be professional in your correspondence. And don&#8217;t let your brain and its crazy negative thoughts make you do something stupid.</p></blockquote>
<p>well, thats some sound advice. :) but sometimes the wait may last forever. at my last job, I was handling a website for a client with whom the only communication methods we had were phone/fax or email since he was from another country. now that client paid 50% advance before starting the project, okayed the design &amp; specs etc. &amp; we were going on full steam. As per our work-policies, we sent links to him to show off some new sections &amp; stuff &amp; the working features, but got no reply. no phone calls were returned, no emails, so after a week of futile attempts to contact him, we put the project on hold. now its been more than 17 months, I&#8217;m no longer with my last company, but I still know for a fact that that client hasn&#8217;t called back yet. so it has been assumed that either he&#8217;s no longer interested in the project or his company has gone bankrupt. that website&#8217;s still lying there on my ex-company&#8217;s intranet server, unfinished &amp; orphaned!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cianuro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cianuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here. But still, the receptionist should have given some sort of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here. But still, the receptionist should have given some sort of information.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pacifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this applies to many things in life. Be patient and slow to judge the people around you, but quick to praise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this applies to many things in life. Be patient and slow to judge the people around you, but quick to praise.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: shref</title>
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		<dc:creator>shref</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was in need of that advice one month ago when i was working in a project for a company but i didn't take any up front money.
after two monthes of work i told them that i want a percentage of the money that's covers the finished work and they said that they will send the money , but after more than a month the money didn't arrive so i stopped the work and talked to them again but the manager wasn't there as he was prebaring for his marriage so another one talked to me and said that he will tell the manager about that money to give an order to send it. 
after days i went to the bank to get the money but they told me that there is no money sent to me .
i gone crazy and phoned them and i was in very bad mood and was thinking about that i was tricked , but they said that they sent the money and i went again to the bank and found the money there and got that the fault came from the clerk in the bank.
- so now i learned not to think in that crazy things again (just in business) :)  
thank you andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was in need of that advice one month ago when i was working in a project for a company but i didn&#8217;t take any up front money.<br />
after two monthes of work i told them that i want a percentage of the money that&#8217;s covers the finished work and they said that they will send the money , but after more than a month the money didn&#8217;t arrive so i stopped the work and talked to them again but the manager wasn&#8217;t there as he was prebaring for his marriage so another one talked to me and said that he will tell the manager about that money to give an order to send it.<br />
after days i went to the bank to get the money but they told me that there is no money sent to me .<br />
i gone crazy and phoned them and i was in very bad mood and was thinking about that i was tricked , but they said that they sent the money and i went again to the bank and found the money there and got that the fault came from the clerk in the bank.<br />
- so now i learned not to think in that crazy things again (just in business) :)<br />
thank you andrew</p>]]></content:encoded>
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