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	<title>Comments on: Looking at Catalyst</title>
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		<title>By: SitePoint Blogs &#187; Catalyst Decisions</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>SitePoint Blogs &#187; Catalyst Decisions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Following on from various text streams on Catalyst ([1], [2], [3], [4]) the next issue is selecting Cataylst plugins. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Following on from various text streams on Catalyst ([1], [2], [3], [4]) the next issue is selecting Cataylst plugins. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Seagull</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-11170</link>
		<dc:creator>Seagull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are people&#039;s thoughts on Seagull?  (http://seagull.phpkitchen.com).  It&#039;s based on PEAR, which is of course good and bad.  I&#039;ve been using it for a year now, and I&#039;m fairly satisfied, at least I don&#039;t have to spend forever configuring action mappings, and the docs are good.  Main problem is speed and tight coupling between models and controllers, but libraries are set-up very nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are people&#8217;s thoughts on Seagull?  (<a href="http://seagull.phpkitchen.com)" rel="nofollow">http://seagull.phpkitchen.com)</a>.  It&#8217;s based on PEAR, which is of course good and bad.  I&#8217;ve been using it for a year now, and I&#8217;m fairly satisfied, at least I don&#8217;t have to spend forever configuring action mappings, and the docs are good.  Main problem is speed and tight coupling between models and controllers, but libraries are set-up very nicely.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-11000</link>
		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Have you seen symfony?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have looked at symfony and it looks good - there effort that&#039;s gone into things like the i18n support is a good sign to me and tells me much about the mindset of the developers involved.

I haven&#039;t tried to install it - just scanned bits of the source. To be completely honest though, what&#039;s put me off is seeing phing around.

Can&#039;t really say anything more useful than that right now. Don&#039;t really have the complete picture of how it works.

Otherwise on the PHP front I&#039;m holding for the Zend framework right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Have you seen symfony?
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<p>Have looked at symfony and it looks good &#8211; there effort that&#8217;s gone into things like the i18n support is a good sign to me and tells me much about the mindset of the developers involved.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried to install it &#8211; just scanned bits of the source. To be completely honest though, what&#8217;s put me off is seeing phing around.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t really say anything more useful than that right now. Don&#8217;t really have the complete picture of how it works.</p>
<p>Otherwise on the PHP front I&#8217;m holding for the Zend framework right now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SitePoint Blogs &#187; Catalyst Impressions</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-10999</link>
		<dc:creator>SitePoint Blogs &#187; Catalyst Impressions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ongoing thoughts on Catalyst, following from here. This is not meant to be a tutorial or a brochure&#8212;just observations and impressions that have been springing to mind and even there, things that really stand out. There&#8217;s a good chance I&#8217;ve misunderstood things or am simply wrong but figure it&#8217;s useful to capture it all somewhere. Also not attempting to fish for answers&#8212;want to see how far I can get without help. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ongoing thoughts on Catalyst, following from here. This is not meant to be a tutorial or a brochure&#8212;just observations and impressions that have been springing to mind and even there, things that really stand out. There&#8217;s a good chance I&#8217;ve misunderstood things or am simply wrong but figure it&#8217;s useful to capture it all somewhere. Also not attempting to fish for answers&#8212;want to see how far I can get without help. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: rod</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-10950</link>
		<dc:creator>rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry,

Have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.symfony-project.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;symfony&lt;/a&gt;?

If so, what are your toughts?

Thanx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,</p>
<p>Have you seen <a href="http://www.symfony-project.com" rel="nofollow">symfony</a>?</p>
<p>If so, what are your toughts?</p>
<p>Thanx</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ohnnyj</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/11/18/looking-at-catalyst/comment-page-1/#comment-10946</link>
		<dc:creator>ohnnyj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean about getting things done.  I have spent countless hours trying to design the &quot;perfect&quot; application a la MVC when I probably would have been done if I had chosen to use &quot;spaghetti code.&quot;  I&#039;m all for a well-designed app but sometimes (most of the time?) it is not necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean about getting things done.  I have spent countless hours trying to design the &#8220;perfect&#8221; application a la MVC when I probably would have been done if I had chosen to use &#8220;spaghetti code.&#8221;  I&#8217;m all for a well-designed app but sometimes (most of the time?) it is not necessary.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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