I’m sorry Anonymous, I don’t follow entirely what you’re saying… ESL?

Alot of people wonder the same thing, hince why I stay semi-anonymous… ;)

In anycase, unless you believe that Google has different algorithms for intra-site links, a privacy policy or other such page is a good indicator of what a site wide link can bring, this indicator has never failed me. So my proof in that regard is the privacy policy on that site. I’ve also placed links on that site to get other sites of mine a PR of 7.

In re-reading the blog, I see that you are talking only about one NEW page verse linking to any web site/page – so I agree, if that is your point. I misunderstood, and thought that you were linking to ANYPAGE… ;)

@ Jarrod

This last paragraph was not meant to preach to the choir, I’m sure most people reading this have a pretty realistic expectation of pageranks value in ranking, but there are still a ton of newbie’s out there that believe Pagerank is the only thing that matters. We talk with those people everday, hopefully some of them will read this and reconsider their views.

I agree… to me the context was more of how do you see what Google sees using a basic concept like PageRank.

I’m working with very little information here so its hard to make quote.

I agree, that is why I ask Chris which site he was referring too.

Given that it would be site wide (e.g. generate clicks) and “Guarantee” to pass a PR7—I would think that it would be more than 5k since the site already pulls it 15k…

Anonymously. Chris has not revealed to us what the location of the links would be. If it is in the footer, then clickthroughs are not going to be a consideration.

His site may make 15k per month but that doesnt mean that one text link advertisement is worth that. I’m sure he is not planning on replacing his other revenue sources with this single site-wide link, or maybe I’m wrong. Thats one of the great things about text link advertising, they dont take up much real estate.

I’m working with very little information here so its hard to make quote.

I do not believe that Google has done anything with the original pagerank algorithm. What I believe is that there is a stand alone link filter that looks at all of the inbound links to a particular site. One of its functions is to detect abnormal linking patterns. Site-wides, Too many links with the same anchor text (that isnt the sites name), links that have the exactly same surrounding text, too many similar links in a short amount of time etc. etc..

Once it has evaluated these links it then goes through and filters out some, most, or all of the links that appear to be artificial. It will then exclude those links from counting as backlinks, whether it be for pagerank calculations or for ranking purposes. In the case of a site-wide package Google may only decide to count a few links.

I am willing to concede that when it comes to the pagerank calculations Google may count all links and there is just some other phenomenon that is causing the reduction in toolbar pagerank that I have often seen, or the calculation is just so complex, due to the complex nature of the type of link building we do, that I have not factored in everything when calculating what the PR should be. Those sorts of calculations are easy to do when you are dealing with only 1 outbound but as soon as you are dealing with complex link building campaigns it gets very tough to calculate.

I do not spend very much time these days considering how much pagerank is being passed through to a site. I am only concerned with rankings. And for rankings I could care less if my site is a PR6 or a 10, as long as I am ranking for the terms that I am after. Of course there are other reasons why high pagerank is good, reputation, bragging rights etc.. Pagerank is an indicator I use to give a rough estimate of link popularity, but then the real work begins. How many unique backlinks does it have, how old is the site, How relevant is the site, etc. etc. etc.

This last paragraph was not meant to preach to the choir, I’m sure most people reading this have a pretty realistic expectation of pageranks value in ranking, but there are still a ton of newbie’s out there that believe Pagerank is the only thing that matters. We talk with those people everday, hopefully some of them will read this and reconsider their views.

In anycase, unless you believe that Google has different algorithms for intra-site links, a privacy policy or other such page is a good indicator of what a site wide link can bring, this indicator has never failed me. So my proof in that regard is the privacy policy on that site. I’ve also placed links on that site to get other sites of mine a PR of 7.

If you don’t think thats possible (again, I’m not sure what exactly you were saying), then you’d be incorrect. I’ve gotten pages up to a 7 before with a single link (from another 7, with no other links on the page), so getting a 7 from 30,000 links isn’t that difficult.

This is not about experience, this is about PROOF, which as I think we would all agree is missing and likely not to be found…

In case was not clear and to be fair in my request for PROOF to Jarrod – I don’t believe that anyone could “Guarantee” a PR7+ from a PR7, nor was this ever the case for Google.

If experience tells you that Chris, than my guess is that the networks you were working with were scale-free and that this is not comparible to the current discussion of it being universally applicable.

To under take locking down a PROOF and the value of the intellectual property tied to it would require a meaningful investment of resources – and as such, a disclosure in public is high-unlikely and likely to complex to understand without a solid background in search engine algorithms and patterns of conflict within both internally and externally them…

This said, if you have a PROOF I would love to validate it Chris… ;)

@ Jarrod

Just wanted to let you know, a couple of my sales guys were reading this post and came to me and said that they have a few clients that they are sure would pay $2000—$5000 for a site-wide link that “guarantees” a PR7.

Given that it would be site wide (e.g. generate clicks) and “Guarantee” to pass a PR7 – I would think that it would be more than 5k since the site already pulls it 15k…

@ aspen (Chris Beasley)

By the way, Chris which of your sites is the one you are referring too?