Comments on: Store large data client-side with AMASS http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Mark Chipman http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-12696 Mark Chipman Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:22:33 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-12696 Almost everyone here doesn't see the forest through the trees... the HUGE advantages that this capability offers were previously mentioned: 1. Saving LARGE sized javascript locally on your machine, so that on repeated visits, you don't have to re-download the script... result is faster websites. 2. Cookies always travel back and forth on EVERY post/request... so saving content in cookies (especially large cookies) is very very bad! Using AMASS could be conditionalized in code so that only browsers supporting Flash (installed) and viable for that platform (i.e. doesn't work on Macs) would be ones to load-up AMASS and check if their is any javascript code that has been cached locally. Version checking could easily be done by flagging the stored code with an identifier, which could be used to see if a newer version of the javascript is available on the server... if their isn't the code in the AMASS cache, then the required javascript could then be downloaded on the fly. All in all, AMASS sound very interesting and valuable to me... since I'm all about the speed of my websites. -Mark Chipman Almost everyone here doesn’t see the forest through the trees… the HUGE advantages that this capability offers were previously mentioned:

1. Saving LARGE sized javascript locally on your machine, so that on repeated visits, you don’t have to re-download the script… result is faster websites.

2. Cookies always travel back and forth on EVERY post/request… so saving content in cookies (especially large cookies) is very very bad!

Using AMASS could be conditionalized in code so that only browsers supporting Flash (installed) and viable for that platform (i.e. doesn’t work on Macs) would be ones to load-up AMASS and check if their is any javascript code that has been cached locally. Version checking could easily be done by flagging the stored code with an identifier, which could be used to see if a newer version of the javascript is available on the server… if their isn’t the code in the AMASS cache, then the required javascript could then be downloaded on the fly.

All in all, AMASS sound very interesting and valuable to me… since I’m all about the speed of my websites.

-Mark Chipman

]]> By: why server-side beats it http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-12416 why server-side beats it Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:11:12 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-12416 I was writing my mail at work, but did not finish it. Come home, picked up my draft and continued to work on it. That's gmail. That's server-side. I was writing my mail at work, but did not finish it.
Come home, picked up my draft and continued to work on it.
That’s gmail. That’s server-side.

]]> By: Theodor Zoulias http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10478 Theodor Zoulias Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:44:21 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10478 Storing a large amount of data in cookies is generally a bad idea, as they will travel back to server for each and every request. Storing a large amount of data in cookies is generally a bad idea, as they will travel back to server for each and every request.

]]> By: Magic8Ball http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10342 Magic8Ball Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:31:48 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10342 I'm not certain I like the dependence on flash !!!! in fact this dependence terrifies me I’m not certain I like the dependence on flash !!!! in fact this dependence terrifies me

]]> By: SitePoint Blogs » Bookmarks and back button history for AJAX apps http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10304 SitePoint Blogs » Bookmarks and back button history for AJAX apps Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:48:33 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10304 [...] Now, from the same clever monkey developing the AMASS client-side data storage system I mentioned previously, comes a very promising partial solution to these issues. [...] […] Now, from the same clever monkey developing the AMASS client-side data storage system I mentioned previously, comes a very promising partial solution to these issues. […]

]]> By: AJAX » Store large data client-side with AJAX MAss Storage System http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10181 AJAX » Store large data client-side with AJAX MAss Storage System Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:23:49 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10181 [...] Kevin writes “The AJAX MAss Storage System (AMASS) is a clever blend of JavaScript and Flash that doesn’t actually have anything to do with AJAX—except that it will help decrease the amount of AJAX you have to use to produce Web applications with rich user interfaces that behave like desktop apps. [...] […] Kevin writes “The AJAX MAss Storage System (AMASS) is a clever blend of JavaScript and Flash that doesn’t actually have anything to do with AJAX—except that it will help decrease the amount of AJAX you have to use to produce Web applications with rich user interfaces that behave like desktop apps. […]

]]> By: neodur http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10179 neodur Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:09:43 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10179 If Gmail doesn't need local storage, then I can't really justify any other web-app needing such a feature. If Gmail doesn’t need local storage, then I can’t really justify any other web-app needing such a feature.

]]> By: SkyrocketConceptsBlog » Blog Archive » Catfish Ad van sitepoint ontleed http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10129 SkyrocketConceptsBlog » Blog Archive » Catfish Ad van sitepoint ontleed Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:36:41 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10129 [...] De Catfish banner op Sitepoint is iets wat me reeds lang in bekoring heeft gebracht. Ik denk dat ik wel tig-keren naar de broncode heb gekeken maar het is niet zo simpel om te achterhalen waarvoor welke CSS hack dient en welke CSS bij de catfish banner hoort. Blijkbaar was ik niet de enige die aandrong bij Sitepoint om wat uitleg te geven bij deze coole banner dus heeft Alex Walker in zijn Sitepoint dhtml-css Blog twee posts gemaakt waarin hij uitlegt hoe dit prachtig stuk design en coding tot stand is gekomen. Zeer interessant … zeker lezen! [...] […] De Catfish banner op Sitepoint is iets wat me reeds lang in bekoring heeft gebracht. Ik denk dat ik wel tig-keren naar de broncode heb gekeken maar het is niet zo simpel om te achterhalen waarvoor welke CSS hack dient en welke CSS bij de catfish banner hoort. Blijkbaar was ik niet de enige die aandrong bij Sitepoint om wat uitleg te geven bij deze coole banner dus heeft Alex Walker in zijn Sitepoint dhtml-css Blog twee posts gemaakt waarin hij uitlegt hoe dit prachtig stuk design en coding tot stand is gekomen. Zeer interessant … zeker lezen! […]

]]> By: dusoft http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10124 dusoft Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:52:42 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10124 <em>expanding JavaScript’s local data storage capacity (data stored on the end user’s machine, rather than on the Web server) from the 4KB</em> <strong>You are wrong.</strong> Javascript allows you store unlimited number of cookies (browsers do limit the number though). As you can read yourself: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;306070 There is possibility to store 20 cookies having 4 KB each - that is 80 KB of plain text - more than enough for everything on the web (specially web forms). expanding JavaScript’s local data storage capacity (data stored on the end user’s machine, rather than on the Web server) from the 4KB

You are wrong. Javascript allows you store unlimited number of cookies (browsers do limit the number though).

As you can read yourself:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;306070

There is possibility to store 20 cookies having 4 KB each - that is 80 KB of plain text - more than enough for everything on the web (specially web forms).

]]> By: Sjoerd http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10115 Sjoerd Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:31:18 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/21/store-large-data-client-side-with-amass/#comment-10115 A good usage of this would be downloading big javascript files to the user's computer, so that they don't have to download it again and again when entering your website. :) A good usage of this would be downloading big javascript files to the user’s computer, so that they don’t have to download it again and again when entering your website. :)

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