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	<title>Comments on: Zend and IBM to co-develop new PHP IDE and framework</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 332</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/17/zend-and-ibm-to-co-develop-new-php-ide-and-framework/#comment-13529</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/17/zend-and-ibm-to-co-develop-new-php-ide-and-framework/#comment-10063</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I personally got tired of waiting and went and made my own framework PHP on Trax.  It is by far the best thing I have used for creating web applications.  It works similar to ruby on rails. I hope zend gets it together and comes out with something good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I personally got tired of waiting and went and made my own framework PHP on Trax.  It is by far the best thing I have used for creating web applications.  It works similar to ruby on rails. I hope zend gets it together and comes out with something good.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: rougy</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/17/zend-and-ibm-to-co-develop-new-php-ide-and-framework/#comment-10057</link>
		<dc:creator>rougy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am very skeptical of the benefits to an open source project when a for-profit entity as big as IBM steps into the picture.

Recall that in the 60's, GM stepped in to "help" the city of L.A. fix its public transportation system.

Of course, the system was ruined which, coincidentally enough, caused people to buy more cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am very skeptical of the benefits to an open source project when a for-profit entity as big as IBM steps into the picture.</p>
<p>Recall that in the 60&#8217;s, GM stepped in to &#8220;help&#8221; the city of L.A. fix its public transportation system.</p>
<p>Of course, the system was ruined which, coincidentally enough, caused people to buy more cars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SitePoint Blogs &#187; PHP Collaboration Project official Q&#38;A</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/17/zend-and-ibm-to-co-develop-new-php-ide-and-framework/#comment-10050</link>
		<dc:creator>SitePoint Blogs &#187; PHP Collaboration Project official Q&#38;A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just a brief update on the PHP Collaboration Project, the rumours of which I speculated on yesterday. It seems an official announcement was indeed made at the Zend/PHP Conference, because Zend has posted an official Q&#38;A about the project on its site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Just a brief update on the PHP Collaboration Project, the rumours of which I speculated on yesterday. It seems an official announcement was indeed made at the Zend/PHP Conference, because Zend has posted an official Q&#38;A about the project on its site. [&#8230;]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: willthiswork</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/17/zend-and-ibm-to-co-develop-new-php-ide-and-framework/#comment-10038</link>
		<dc:creator>willthiswork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there鈥檚 room to do a lot of good, without getting into 鈥淎ctionMappings鈥&lt;/blockquote&gt;

mmmh.....if find "ActionMappings" ala &lt;a href="http://www.cakephp.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;CakePHP&lt;/a&gt; quite interesting.
What's wrong with it anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there鈥檚 room to do a lot of good, without getting into 鈥淎ctionMappings鈥</p></blockquote>
<p>mmmh&#8230;..if find &#8220;ActionMappings&#8221; ala <a href="http://www.cakephp.org/" rel="nofollow">CakePHP</a> quite interesting.<br />
What&#8217;s wrong with it anyway?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dr Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the feeling, that if IBM get their way, they are going to shoehorn PHP into the mould that they've shoehorned Java into.

I am also under the impression that IBM being what they are - a giant - that Zend will proberly have little say in the matter of how it unfolds.

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, IBM have done some cool stuff but I agree that PHP is unique and that uniqueness will as I see it, be glossed over.

Also, I don't use Eclipse, so what are the option for me and other developers who don't use that said IDE? Are we going to be left out in the cold :eek:

Then again, let's wait and see if Zend make a complete a*** of it first ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the feeling, that if IBM get their way, they are going to shoehorn PHP into the mould that they&#8217;ve shoehorned Java into.</p>
<p>I am also under the impression that IBM being what they are - a giant - that Zend will proberly have little say in the matter of how it unfolds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this is a bad idea, IBM have done some cool stuff but I agree that PHP is unique and that uniqueness will as I see it, be glossed over.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t use Eclipse, so what are the option for me and other developers who don&#8217;t use that said IDE? Are we going to be left out in the cold :eek:</p>
<p>Then again, let&#8217;s wait and see if Zend make a complete a*** of it first ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: materix</title>
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		<dc:creator>materix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news! In my humble opion, Eclipse is by far the best IDE out there. (At least the best I have tried)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news! In my humble opion, Eclipse is by far the best IDE out there. (At least the best I have tried)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be interesting to watch. This could be big for PHP if it turns out to be something people agree on. Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there's room to do a lot of good, without getting into "ActionMappings". For example, considering things like &lt;a href="http://securephp.damonkohler.com/index.php/Email_Injection" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; there's a chance here to either eliminate the need for code everyone is reproducing or help beginners avoid gotchas. Somehow expecting something more in the direction of ASP.NET with an emphasis on "taglibs" / "rich web components" - that's a good direction to go if you're an IDE vendor. Also think there are people at IBM have "got the point" of what PHP is - looking at what they've done with &lt;a href="http://www.zend.com/pecl/tutorials/sdo.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;the SDO extension&lt;/a&gt; you see remarks like this;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
SDOs add some interesting capabilities for working with data in PHP, whilst maintaining the simple, easy-to-use interfaces PHP developers expect.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Personally, even if this framework is not the most elegant design, would be happy to make sacrifices in that direction if I know it is going to be well supported and maintained. Some &lt;a href="http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/blog/archives/515-IBM-uses-PHPUnit.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;popular PHP eggs&lt;/a&gt; may get broken along the way though.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Is this because of Rails? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I doubt it - the need for something like this has been around for a long time. It almost surprising that no other big players have spotted the business opportunity here - PHP is, after all, everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be interesting to watch. This could be big for PHP if it turns out to be something people agree on. Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there&#8217;s room to do a lot of good, without getting into &#8220;ActionMappings&#8221;. For example, considering things like <a href="http://securephp.damonkohler.com/index.php/Email_Injection" rel="nofollow">this</a> there&#8217;s a chance here to either eliminate the need for code everyone is reproducing or help beginners avoid gotchas. Somehow expecting something more in the direction of ASP.NET with an emphasis on &#8220;taglibs&#8221; / &#8220;rich web components&#8221; - that&#8217;s a good direction to go if you&#8217;re an IDE vendor. Also think there are people at IBM have &#8220;got the point&#8221; of what PHP is - looking at what they&#8217;ve done with <a href="http://www.zend.com/pecl/tutorials/sdo.php" rel="nofollow">the SDO extension</a> you see remarks like this;</p>
<blockquote><p>
SDOs add some interesting capabilities for working with data in PHP, whilst maintaining the simple, easy-to-use interfaces PHP developers expect.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, even if this framework is not the most elegant design, would be happy to make sacrifices in that direction if I know it is going to be well supported and maintained. Some <a href="http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/blog/archives/515-IBM-uses-PHPUnit.html" rel="nofollow">popular PHP eggs</a> may get broken along the way though.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Is this because of Rails?
</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt it - the need for something like this has been around for a long time. It almost surprising that no other big players have spotted the business opportunity here - PHP is, after all, everywhere.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<dc:creator>@ Webcryptix&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Possible PHP IDE by IBM and Zend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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