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	<title>Comments on: Zend and IBM to co-develop new PHP IDE and framework</title>
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		<title>By: 828</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 332</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I personally got tired of waiting and went and made my own framework PHP on Trax.  It is by far the best thing I have used for creating web applications.  It works similar to ruby on rails. I hope zend gets it together and comes out with something good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I personally got tired of waiting and went and made my own framework PHP on Trax.  It is by far the best thing I have used for creating web applications.  It works similar to ruby on rails. I hope zend gets it together and comes out with something good.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: rougy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rougy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am very skeptical of the benefits to an open source project when a for-profit entity as big as IBM steps into the picture.

Recall that in the 60&#039;s, GM stepped in to &quot;help&quot; the city of L.A. fix its public transportation system.

Of course, the system was ruined which, coincidentally enough, caused people to buy more cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am very skeptical of the benefits to an open source project when a for-profit entity as big as IBM steps into the picture.</p>
<p>Recall that in the 60&#8217;s, GM stepped in to &#8220;help&#8221; the city of L.A. fix its public transportation system.</p>
<p>Of course, the system was ruined which, coincidentally enough, caused people to buy more cars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SitePoint Blogs &#187; PHP Collaboration Project official Q&#38;A</title>
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		<dc:creator>SitePoint Blogs &#187; PHP Collaboration Project official Q&#38;A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just a brief update on the PHP Collaboration Project, the rumours of which I speculated on yesterday. It seems an official announcement was indeed made at the Zend/PHP Conference, because Zend has posted an official Q&amp;A about the project on its site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just a brief update on the PHP Collaboration Project, the rumours of which I speculated on yesterday. It seems an official announcement was indeed made at the Zend/PHP Conference, because Zend has posted an official Q&#38;A about the project on its site. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: willthiswork</title>
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		<dc:creator>willthiswork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there鈥檚 room to do a lot of good, without getting into 鈥淎ctionMappings鈥&lt;/blockquote&gt;

mmmh.....if find &quot;ActionMappings&quot; ala &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cakephp.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CakePHP&lt;/a&gt; quite interesting.
What&#039;s wrong with it anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there鈥檚 room to do a lot of good, without getting into 鈥淎ctionMappings鈥</p></blockquote>
<p>mmmh&#8230;..if find &#8220;ActionMappings&#8221; ala <a href="http://www.cakephp.org/" rel="nofollow">CakePHP</a> quite interesting.<br />
What&#8217;s wrong with it anyway?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dr Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the feeling, that if IBM get their way, they are going to shoehorn PHP into the mould that they&#039;ve shoehorned Java into.

I am also under the impression that IBM being what they are - a giant - that Zend will proberly have little say in the matter of how it unfolds.

I&#039;m not saying this is a bad idea, IBM have done some cool stuff but I agree that PHP is unique and that uniqueness will as I see it, be glossed over.

Also, I don&#039;t use Eclipse, so what are the option for me and other developers who don&#039;t use that said IDE? Are we going to be left out in the cold :eek:

Then again, let&#039;s wait and see if Zend make a complete a*** of it first ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the feeling, that if IBM get their way, they are going to shoehorn PHP into the mould that they&#8217;ve shoehorned Java into.</p>
<p>I am also under the impression that IBM being what they are &#8211; a giant &#8211; that Zend will proberly have little say in the matter of how it unfolds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this is a bad idea, IBM have done some cool stuff but I agree that PHP is unique and that uniqueness will as I see it, be glossed over.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t use Eclipse, so what are the option for me and other developers who don&#8217;t use that said IDE? Are we going to be left out in the cold :eek:</p>
<p>Then again, let&#8217;s wait and see if Zend make a complete a*** of it first ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: materix</title>
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		<dc:creator>materix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news! In my humble opion, Eclipse is by far the best IDE out there. (At least the best I have tried)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news! In my humble opion, Eclipse is by far the best IDE out there. (At least the best I have tried)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be interesting to watch. This could be big for PHP if it turns out to be something people agree on. Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there&#039;s room to do a lot of good, without getting into &quot;ActionMappings&quot;. For example, considering things like &lt;a href=&quot;http://securephp.damonkohler.com/index.php/Email_Injection&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; there&#039;s a chance here to either eliminate the need for code everyone is reproducing or help beginners avoid gotchas. Somehow expecting something more in the direction of ASP.NET with an emphasis on &quot;taglibs&quot; / &quot;rich web components&quot; - that&#039;s a good direction to go if you&#039;re an IDE vendor. Also think there are people at IBM have &quot;got the point&quot; of what PHP is - looking at what they&#039;ve done with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zend.com/pecl/tutorials/sdo.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the SDO extension&lt;/a&gt; you see remarks like this;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
SDOs add some interesting capabilities for working with data in PHP, whilst maintaining the simple, easy-to-use interfaces PHP developers expect.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Personally, even if this framework is not the most elegant design, would be happy to make sacrifices in that direction if I know it is going to be well supported and maintained. Some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/blog/archives/515-IBM-uses-PHPUnit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;popular PHP eggs&lt;/a&gt; may get broken along the way though.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Is this because of Rails? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I doubt it - the need for something like this has been around for a long time. It almost surprising that no other big players have spotted the business opportunity here - PHP is, after all, everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be interesting to watch. This could be big for PHP if it turns out to be something people agree on. Likewise think trying to reinvent struts is a bad idea but in a more loose defition of framework there&#8217;s room to do a lot of good, without getting into &#8220;ActionMappings&#8221;. For example, considering things like <a href="http://securephp.damonkohler.com/index.php/Email_Injection" rel="nofollow">this</a> there&#8217;s a chance here to either eliminate the need for code everyone is reproducing or help beginners avoid gotchas. Somehow expecting something more in the direction of ASP.NET with an emphasis on &#8220;taglibs&#8221; / &#8220;rich web components&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s a good direction to go if you&#8217;re an IDE vendor. Also think there are people at IBM have &#8220;got the point&#8221; of what PHP is &#8211; looking at what they&#8217;ve done with <a href="http://www.zend.com/pecl/tutorials/sdo.php" rel="nofollow">the SDO extension</a> you see remarks like this;</p>
<blockquote><p>
SDOs add some interesting capabilities for working with data in PHP, whilst maintaining the simple, easy-to-use interfaces PHP developers expect.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, even if this framework is not the most elegant design, would be happy to make sacrifices in that direction if I know it is going to be well supported and maintained. Some <a href="http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/blog/archives/515-IBM-uses-PHPUnit.html" rel="nofollow">popular PHP eggs</a> may get broken along the way though.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Is this because of Rails?
</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt it &#8211; the need for something like this has been around for a long time. It almost surprising that no other big players have spotted the business opportunity here &#8211; PHP is, after all, everywhere.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<dc:creator>@ Webcryptix&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Possible PHP IDE by IBM and Zend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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