Comments on: Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:13:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: bonefry http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-16331 bonefry Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:48:00 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-16331 <blockquote>In particular, every Laszlo demo I’ve seen has had fixed pixel dimensions, > > while Flex can take full advantage of the vector nature of Flash to stretch and fill your browser window.</blockquote> The demos are awfull, but they do not reflect the capabilities of Laszlo quite well, maybe except <a href="http://www.laszlomail.com/lzmail" rel="nofollow">LaszloEmail</a>. But you are not right, Laszlo application *can* fill your browser window. Again, look at the link above The big *advantage* of Laszlo is that it is *not* dependant on Flash, and an AJAX version is planned for this year. I also talked to a Laszlo developer that said they will definitly release a version for the upcoming WPF (Avalon). <blockquote>OpenLazlo is only open source for development and learning how to code with the Lazlo architecture. After speaking to Lazlo, a fairly typical 2 cpu production license for you application weighs in at a ridiculous $22,500!!! Hence why the likes of Yahoo and other major portal providers are the ones hooking up with them.</blockquote> You are just trolling. Do you know what open-source means ? How can it be open-source only for development ? Just a hint: The source is available, if you want more processors you can always modify the source ;) And although you might not be able, others are :)

In particular, every Laszlo demo I’ve seen has had fixed pixel dimensions, > > while Flex can take full advantage of the vector nature of Flash to stretch and fill your browser window.

The demos are awfull, but they do not reflect the capabilities of Laszlo quite well, maybe except LaszloEmail.

But you are not right, Laszlo application *can* fill your browser window. Again, look at the link above

The big *advantage* of Laszlo is that it is *not* dependant on Flash, and an AJAX version is planned for this year. I also talked to a Laszlo developer that said they will definitly release a version for the upcoming WPF (Avalon).

OpenLazlo is only open source for development and learning how to code with the Lazlo architecture. After speaking to Lazlo, a fairly typical 2 cpu production license for you application weighs in at a ridiculous $22,500!!! Hence why the likes of Yahoo and other major portal providers are the ones hooking up with them.

You are just trolling.
Do you know what open-source means ? How can it be open-source only for development ?

Just a hint: The source is available, if you want more processors you can always modify the source ;) And although you might not be able, others are :)

]]> By: SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2 is not “all or nothing” http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-16311 SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2 is not “all or nothing” Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:52:10 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-16311 [...] Ever since Macromedia announced Flex 2 and made available pre-release versions, I’ve been gritting my teeth as more and more cool news has surfaced about what Flex 2 will be capable of. [...] […] Ever since Macromedia announced Flex 2 and made available pre-release versions, I’ve been gritting my teeth as more and more cool news has surfaced about what Flex 2 will be capable of. […]

]]> By: asp_funda http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-10221 asp_funda Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:50:12 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-10221 I agree with Joshua, I didn't see any pricing schema either when I was eyeing Laszlo when someone recommended it to me saying that its gone Open & Free!! I agree with Joshua, I didn’t see any pricing schema either when I was eyeing Laszlo when someone recommended it to me saying that its gone Open & Free!!

]]> By: Joshua Paine http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-10212 Joshua Paine Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:21:28 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-10212 Sid, where are you getting this stuff? Laszlo used to be pay-for-production use, but they open-sourced the server along with everything else in October 2004. It's under the CPL, IBM's license that also covers Eclipse. If you look on laszlo.com now, there's not even a place to purchase the server. They sell an app or two built on top of OpenLaszlo and a bunch of consulting and tech support services related to using Laszlo, but that's it. The CPL contains no "screw you if you want to use this for anything important" clause. Sid, where are you getting this stuff? Laszlo used to be pay-for-production use, but they open-sourced the server along with everything else in October 2004. It’s under the CPL, IBM’s license that also covers Eclipse. If you look on laszlo.com now, there’s not even a place to purchase the server. They sell an app or two built on top of OpenLaszlo and a bunch of consulting and tech support services related to using Laszlo, but that’s it. The CPL contains no “screw you if you want to use this for anything important” clause.

]]> By: Sid http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-10211 Sid Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:06:12 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-10211 OpenLazlo is only open source for development and learning how to code with the Lazlo architecture. After speaking to Lazlo, a fairly typical 2 cpu production license for you application weighs in at a ridiculous $22,500!!! Hence why the likes of Yahoo and other major portal providers are the ones hooking up with them. I am not sure if Lazlo are intending to redesign their pricing structure to compete with Flex anytime soon, but it's definately not open source as we know it... it's OpenSource so they hook developers into using it, thus making their techology easier to sell. OpenLazlo is only open source for development and learning how to code with the Lazlo architecture. After speaking to Lazlo, a fairly typical 2 cpu production license for you application weighs in at a ridiculous $22,500!!! Hence why the likes of Yahoo and other major portal providers are the ones hooking up with them.

I am not sure if Lazlo are intending to redesign their pricing structure to compete with Flex anytime soon, but it’s definately not open source as we know it… it’s OpenSource so they hook developers into using it, thus making their techology easier to sell.

]]> By: SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2 and Flash Player 8.5 alphas available http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-10002 SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2 and Flash Player 8.5 alphas available Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:13:20 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-10002 [...] Macromedia’s recently-announced Flex 2.0 platform (see Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing) is now available to download in alpha form from Macromedia’s newly-launched Macromedia Labs site. [...] […] Macromedia’s recently-announced Flex 2.0 platform (see Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing) is now available to download in alpha form from Macromedia’s newly-launched Macromedia Labs site. […]

]]> By: asp_funda http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-9863 asp_funda Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:14:54 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-9863 I agree with Joshua, Flex-1 had failed to impress much, I mean if it had anything impressive, then Chak Ming Fai(server product manager, south asia) failed to show it at <a href="http://blog.igeek.info/still-fresh/2005/03/14/day-1-max-2005/" rel="nofollow">MAX 2005</a>, unless ofcourse they weren't putting on any effort to promote Flex there!! Though its to be seen what Flex-2 can offer, I think that it has some serious competition at hand with OpenLaszlo!! <blockquote>This seems like a very unfortunate move to me, and I hope Macromedia will reconsider.</blockquote> well, in the light of recent events(read Macromedia's acquisition by Adobe), things have just started to roll. Adobe is one of the most evil companies in the market when product pricing is considered on par with software being sold!! :( I agree with Joshua, Flex-1 had failed to impress much, I mean if it had anything impressive, then Chak Ming Fai(server product manager, south asia) failed to show it at MAX 2005, unless ofcourse they weren’t putting on any effort to promote Flex there!!

Though its to be seen what Flex-2 can offer, I think that it has some serious competition at hand with OpenLaszlo!!

This seems like a very unfortunate move to me, and I hope Macromedia will reconsider.

well, in the light of recent events(read Macromedia’s acquisition by Adobe), things have just started to roll. Adobe is one of the most evil companies in the market when product pricing is considered on par with software being sold!! :(

]]> By: skanxalot http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-9746 skanxalot Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:17:24 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-9746 Kevin, OpenLaszlo 3.0 allows for percentage widths, allowing you to fill the whole browser window. It works well for a couple of applications I've written. Kevin, OpenLaszlo 3.0 allows for percentage widths, allowing you to fill the whole browser window. It works well for a couple of applications I’ve written.

]]> By: Mind Chatter » SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-9739 Mind Chatter » SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:16:14 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-9739 [...] SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing [...] […] SitePoint Blogs » Flex 2.0 announced with more affordable pricing […]

]]> By: MystaMax http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/10/06/flex-20-announced-with-more-affordable-pricing/#comment-9733 MystaMax Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:46:46 +0000 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=1234#comment-9733 You mention that you could build everything just like AJAX/DHTML. Thats interesting b/c since these are flash-based RIA's, doesn't that mean they are less prone to problems with browsers and things like that? You could build apps for mobile phones as well right? I browsed their site and didnt see anything for the mobile phone. Thanks You mention that you could build everything just like AJAX/DHTML. Thats interesting b/c since these are flash-based RIA’s, doesn’t that mean they are less prone to problems with browsers and things like that? You could build apps for mobile phones as well right? I browsed their site and didnt see anything for the mobile phone.

Thanks

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