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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-806579</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow
I just stumbled onto this forum.
Does anyone here remember that email is was created as a 7bit application?  Not 8.

SMTP needs to be re-designed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow<br />
I just stumbled onto this forum.<br />
Does anyone here remember that email is was created as a 7bit application?  Not 8.</p>
<p>SMTP needs to be re-designed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HTML'er</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-715308</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML'er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon this blog as I have a new client using lotus email, and I'm trying to find the source of the issues that cause layout problems for this email client.

I don't agree that emails should be plain text. It depends on your product, your target market, and the industry you are catering for.

I create e-newsletters for clients every day. Most of these are for the fashion, creative and entertainment industries. The client on Lotus is a major makeup company who's target market is young, hip 15-30 year olds.

I can guarantee that if we sent plain text emails my client would have a conversion rate of zero.
This target market has a short attention span, were brought up on technology and need sizzle to impress. Without images to accompany the textual content the newsletter campaign would miserably fail.

Learning about the weaknesses of the various email clients and adopting techniques (using mixed-mode HTML4 as well as css-styled code) to fight your way around them plus providing a viewing alternative, and plain text version within the code is the best way we have found at dealing with non-confirming browsers.

Stating that all email should be plain text displays a large amount of ignorance over the purpose and reasons for why users may subscribe to the email in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon this blog as I have a new client using lotus email, and I&#8217;m trying to find the source of the issues that cause layout problems for this email client.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that emails should be plain text. It depends on your product, your target market, and the industry you are catering for.</p>
<p>I create e-newsletters for clients every day. Most of these are for the fashion, creative and entertainment industries. The client on Lotus is a major makeup company who&#8217;s target market is young, hip 15-30 year olds.</p>
<p>I can guarantee that if we sent plain text emails my client would have a conversion rate of zero.<br />
This target market has a short attention span, were brought up on technology and need sizzle to impress. Without images to accompany the textual content the newsletter campaign would miserably fail.</p>
<p>Learning about the weaknesses of the various email clients and adopting techniques (using mixed-mode HTML4 as well as css-styled code) to fight your way around them plus providing a viewing alternative, and plain text version within the code is the best way we have found at dealing with non-confirming browsers.</p>
<p>Stating that all email should be plain text displays a large amount of ignorance over the purpose and reasons for why users may subscribe to the email in the first place.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus what the hell are you talking about. The html emails we I send are no more than 5-6k in size.....are you using a dial up connection with a 1 gig hard drive?? Or is it that your brain cannot cope with the complexity of the graphical content??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus what the hell are you talking about. The html emails we I send are no more than 5-6k in size&#8230;..are you using a dial up connection with a 1 gig hard drive?? Or is it that your brain cannot cope with the complexity of the graphical content??</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chango</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-692508</link>
		<dc:creator>Chango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HTML for emails sucks big time. Plain text is the way to go. Eye candy in an email message isn't productive unless you are a spammer trying to get your victim's attention or you have absolutely nothing to do. 

Link to a html page with all your html/css/images crap and stop complaining. Sending massive big fat html emails to thousands of recipients is a waste of disk space and bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTML for emails sucks big time. Plain text is the way to go. Eye candy in an email message isn&#8217;t productive unless you are a spammer trying to get your victim&#8217;s attention or you have absolutely nothing to do. </p>
<p>Link to a html page with all your html/css/images crap and stop complaining. Sending massive big fat html emails to thousands of recipients is a waste of disk space and bandwidth.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-688290</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say thank you, all of you for sharing your thoughts on this topic. It has been good reading. 

Unfortunately - though I am a bit more knowledgeable I am still in need of a solution. Subscribed readers using Lotus Notes want HTML emails that look good and contain the content they have requested to receive. They don't have the know how or ability to change the temperature settings on the microwave let alone talk to a tech guy about Domino.

Lotus Notes provides no affordable or convenient way to test HTML emails in their environment and I can't seem to find a solution. Can't we do any better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say thank you, all of you for sharing your thoughts on this topic. It has been good reading. </p>
<p>Unfortunately - though I am a bit more knowledgeable I am still in need of a solution. Subscribed readers using Lotus Notes want HTML emails that look good and contain the content they have requested to receive. They don&#8217;t have the know how or ability to change the temperature settings on the microwave let alone talk to a tech guy about Domino.</p>
<p>Lotus Notes provides no affordable or convenient way to test HTML emails in their environment and I can&#8217;t seem to find a solution. Can&#8217;t we do any better?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-660751</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Once AGAIN an MS upgrade breaks things that used to work. Evidently Billy G. never heard of backward compatibility.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Lotus' programmers have never heard of the HTML 3.2 spec, it seems... I'd say that's more of a worry. Outlook 2007 can still be worked around easily. Notes and Domino are the unholy union that destroys HTML designers' souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Once AGAIN an MS upgrade breaks things that used to work. Evidently Billy G. never heard of backward compatibility.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Lotus&#8217; programmers have never heard of the HTML 3.2 spec, it seems&#8230; I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s more of a worry. Outlook 2007 can still be worked around easily. Notes and Domino are the unholy union that destroys HTML designers&#8217; souls.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HTML Tables not rendered properly in notes 7 either</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTML Tables not rendered properly in notes 7 either</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without hosting a website and providing a link is there some documentation that will tell what html tables are supported in notes, i tried embedding tables within  tables, css styles and nothing seems to work...goodness it's 2008 Lotus get with it, my html email reciepeints all say it works in outlook but not notes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without hosting a website and providing a link is there some documentation that will tell what html tables are supported in notes, i tried embedding tables within  tables, css styles and nothing seems to work&#8230;goodness it&#8217;s 2008 Lotus get with it, my html email reciepeints all say it works in outlook but not notes&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-500974</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lotus Notes is a piece of crap. 

I once went nuts and adressed an email to IBM support with the ten first flaws i could remind of (like the inability to cancel more than 1 type back...)

Regarding the HTML topic, my e-mails look so 1999. Can't set table borders, images, CSS and so on... An HTML copy-paste in an e-mail takes ages even for a few lines and freezes the app (maybe it's our admin who sucks but c'mon, how is that possible ?). Shame on these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lotus Notes is a piece of crap. </p>
<p>I once went nuts and adressed an email to IBM support with the ten first flaws i could remind of (like the inability to cancel more than 1 type back&#8230;)</p>
<p>Regarding the HTML topic, my e-mails look so 1999. Can&#8217;t set table borders, images, CSS and so on&#8230; An HTML copy-paste in an e-mail takes ages even for a few lines and freezes the app (maybe it&#8217;s our admin who sucks but c&#8217;mon, how is that possible ?). Shame on these guys.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HTMLemailDesigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTMLemailDesigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, is there some place where I can get old version (5.0.X) of Notes to test html email. Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, is there some place where I can get old version (5.0.X) of Notes to test html email. Thank you</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/09/11/html-email-and-lotus-notes/#comment-370262</link>
		<dc:creator>pj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm - long time Notes user here (from R4.6 and now at R7) and my emails between Outlook and Notes were fine until I upgrade to Outlook 2007. Once AGAIN an MS upgrade breaks things that used to work. Evidently Billy G. never heard of backward compatibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm - long time Notes user here (from R4.6 and now at R7) and my emails between Outlook and Notes were fine until I upgrade to Outlook 2007. Once AGAIN an MS upgrade breaks things that used to work. Evidently Billy G. never heard of backward compatibility.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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