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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-13887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that post didn't offer much except a spam link. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that post didn&#8217;t offer much except a spam link. :(</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Denials</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-13885</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Denials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with what you're saying. I wish more people felt this way and took the time to express themselves. Keep up the great work.

Kevin Denials
http://www.softwareprojectmanagementcenter.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with what you&#8217;re saying. I wish more people felt this way and took the time to express themselves. Keep up the great work.</p>
<p>Kevin Denials<br />
<a href="http://www.softwareprojectmanagementcenter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.softwareprojectmanagementcenter.com</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MickoZ</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8509</link>
		<dc:creator>MickoZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 03:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenzsa, yeah you are very right.  Every project can benefit from GOOD project management.

But that is not only about "project management".  Project Management encourage to think well of the project for most people.  Personally I consider myself in the top ones (because of my logic, etc.) when developing something.  I may not be good to sell why it takes more time or why the task I attack are the most difficult one (and the one other don't want to attack).  But the reason my solution have very low functionnal problem (i.e. almost no bugs) is because I at less plan well the thing I have to do to make it perfect.

I am not that good at plan WHEN I will do it because I don't practice myself enough probably to do this.  But I am good to at less cover all the thing that need to be done to do a fully functionnal product (which is not what I can say of most people I have seen in IT, School, etc.--Thinking about all its needs-- it just seems a skill they lack).

So if you put project management to good use, it forces you to think well about the problem you will attack.  Break thing in small piece, make all those pieces interact well together.

That is why I talk about efficient project management (and not just throwing number, time and guess).  That is not easy to do completely and people want them done completely (all task, all time, etc.).  But if you ask that but cannot even broke thing in correct task, then your project management is flawed.

Anything you want to achieve, you gotta start from the base.  The basic need to work in your project, your idea amd your project management. ;-)

[as you can see, I have not planned well the redaction of this text :D -- but I hope you get a grasp of some idea I throw up there, they may sound confusing, but they might be very important for you in the long run.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenzsa, yeah you are very right.  Every project can benefit from GOOD project management.</p>
<p>But that is not only about &#8220;project management&#8221;.  Project Management encourage to think well of the project for most people.  Personally I consider myself in the top ones (because of my logic, etc.) when developing something.  I may not be good to sell why it takes more time or why the task I attack are the most difficult one (and the one other don&#8217;t want to attack).  But the reason my solution have very low functionnal problem (i.e. almost no bugs) is because I at less plan well the thing I have to do to make it perfect.</p>
<p>I am not that good at plan WHEN I will do it because I don&#8217;t practice myself enough probably to do this.  But I am good to at less cover all the thing that need to be done to do a fully functionnal product (which is not what I can say of most people I have seen in IT, School, etc.&#8211;Thinking about all its needs&#8211; it just seems a skill they lack).</p>
<p>So if you put project management to good use, it forces you to think well about the problem you will attack.  Break thing in small piece, make all those pieces interact well together.</p>
<p>That is why I talk about efficient project management (and not just throwing number, time and guess).  That is not easy to do completely and people want them done completely (all task, all time, etc.).  But if you ask that but cannot even broke thing in correct task, then your project management is flawed.</p>
<p>Anything you want to achieve, you gotta start from the base.  The basic need to work in your project, your idea amd your project management. ;-)</p>
<p>[as you can see, I have not planned well the redaction of this text :D &#8212; but I hope you get a grasp of some idea I throw up there, they may sound confusing, but they might be very important for you in the long run.]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kenzsa</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8492</link>
		<dc:creator>kenzsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Project Management is an essential tool for all web projects. Regardless of the process you use, planning and customer communication/buy-in is the key to your success.

For those that say project management takes too long and is too costly, maybe have not practiced it often enough to see the benefit. You see the value most readily when you come up against a problem that should have easily been identified before it happened, or when your client starts to change your scope half way through  your work, but the value is still there when you start out the project and it sets up the project for success from the start.

Even small projects benefit from Project Management principles. A 5 page website is a perfect example. Why do people think project management on such a project takes too long? Project management is about repitition! performing the same tasks over and over again on every project you do, ensures a greater level of success than those that are thrown together at the last moment. As this is the case, setup some project plans templates for a small, medium and large project. Determine which one fits a job and then modify it for its individual needs. Presto!!! a project that is easily planned, has taken very little time and utilises all of the project management principles - at very little cost during the planning cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Project Management is an essential tool for all web projects. Regardless of the process you use, planning and customer communication/buy-in is the key to your success.</p>
<p>For those that say project management takes too long and is too costly, maybe have not practiced it often enough to see the benefit. You see the value most readily when you come up against a problem that should have easily been identified before it happened, or when your client starts to change your scope half way through  your work, but the value is still there when you start out the project and it sets up the project for success from the start.</p>
<p>Even small projects benefit from Project Management principles. A 5 page website is a perfect example. Why do people think project management on such a project takes too long? Project management is about repitition! performing the same tasks over and over again on every project you do, ensures a greater level of success than those that are thrown together at the last moment. As this is the case, setup some project plans templates for a small, medium and large project. Determine which one fits a job and then modify it for its individual needs. Presto!!! a project that is easily planned, has taken very little time and utilises all of the project management principles - at very little cost during the planning cycle.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MickoZ</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8404</link>
		<dc:creator>MickoZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is millions of cash wasted everywhere in IT project due to different reason (e.g. Lack of skill, lack of planning, client doesn't want to accept the real answer).

Sure you have to be a man and take the responsability.  But there is time where people won't accept the real answer and that can also influence a project's quality.  Of course that goes into managing client expectation skill ;-)  I have got very good client and I have also faced people (at day job or as client) who wanted the time they expected as the result.  No matter what the reality was.  They just wanted "in 2 days" without knowing exactly what they wanted.  Maybe it is in human nature too sometime. ;-)

But more I advance, more I recognize that what made my success in the past and what should make my success as of now, it is to do it right even if you explain that it is gonna cost more if you take the easy fast path, sometime you have to protect your own self in long term and expect that or at less you have to be very clear if you take shortcut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is millions of cash wasted everywhere in IT project due to different reason (e.g. Lack of skill, lack of planning, client doesn&#8217;t want to accept the real answer).</p>
<p>Sure you have to be a man and take the responsability.  But there is time where people won&#8217;t accept the real answer and that can also influence a project&#8217;s quality.  Of course that goes into managing client expectation skill ;-)  I have got very good client and I have also faced people (at day job or as client) who wanted the time they expected as the result.  No matter what the reality was.  They just wanted &#8220;in 2 days&#8221; without knowing exactly what they wanted.  Maybe it is in human nature too sometime. ;-)</p>
<p>But more I advance, more I recognize that what made my success in the past and what should make my success as of now, it is to do it right even if you explain that it is gonna cost more if you take the easy fast path, sometime you have to protect your own self in long term and expect that or at less you have to be very clear if you take shortcut.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: whatproject?</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>whatproject?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Millions of £'s of of tax payers money has been wated in the UK on badly managed IT projects.

I think the IT industry could learn a thing or two about project management from the offshore engineering industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Millions of £&#8217;s of of tax payers money has been wated in the UK on badly managed IT projects.</p>
<p>I think the IT industry could learn a thing or two about project management from the offshore engineering industry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: myrdhrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>myrdhrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>worchyld, I would add to you list ... 

- They don't know what project management is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worchyld, I would add to you list &#8230; </p>
<p>- They don&#8217;t know what project management is</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: worchyld</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8347</link>
		<dc:creator>worchyld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason why "web design companies/agencies/one-man-bands" don't "do" project management is because:
- They think they can do it all in their head
- The more time they spend on the project "management" is less time actually doing the project
- The time spent actually project managing has to be billed for
- Fear that the customer will say no if they see too much paperwork
- Fear that the customer will say no if they left waiting for "pieces of paper"
- Fear that p/mg will put their price too high
- Its easier to say 'yes I can do it' now to close the deal rather than waiting for somebody to say 'yes, but it'll take 2-3 working days to come up with a project plan'.
- Fear that p/management will become a monster which they can't control
- There is no time

I think project management is very important - just because it shows the customer you're thinking about the problem professionally.  Obviousily you don't spend ages doing p/management if the client is only wanting a 5-page website, but it is still important to do it -- the more you do it, the easier it becomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why &#8220;web design companies/agencies/one-man-bands&#8221; don&#8217;t &#8220;do&#8221; project management is because:<br />
- They think they can do it all in their head<br />
- The more time they spend on the project &#8220;management&#8221; is less time actually doing the project<br />
- The time spent actually project managing has to be billed for<br />
- Fear that the customer will say no if they see too much paperwork<br />
- Fear that the customer will say no if they left waiting for &#8220;pieces of paper&#8221;<br />
- Fear that p/mg will put their price too high<br />
- Its easier to say &#8216;yes I can do it&#8217; now to close the deal rather than waiting for somebody to say &#8216;yes, but it&#8217;ll take 2-3 working days to come up with a project plan&#8217;.<br />
- Fear that p/management will become a monster which they can&#8217;t control<br />
- There is no time</p>
<p>I think project management is very important - just because it shows the customer you&#8217;re thinking about the problem professionally.  Obviousily you don&#8217;t spend ages doing p/management if the client is only wanting a 5-page website, but it is still important to do it &#8212; the more you do it, the easier it becomes.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: effective web projects &#187; Project Management is dead - long live project management</title>
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		<dc:creator>effective web projects &#187; Project Management is dead - long live project management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s a great post about how project management has gone out the window over at sitepoint.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There&#8217;s a great post about how project management has gone out the window over at sitepoint.com [&#8230;]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Verskidev</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/08/26/has-project-management-gone-out-the-window/#comment-8325</link>
		<dc:creator>Verskidev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Mr. Neitlich is not up to the task of being involved with this vsd team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Mr. Neitlich is not up to the task of being involved with this vsd team.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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