Comments on: Lists of things to know http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:48:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Andy http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4126 Andy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4126 <p>Use of 'onEvent' handlers in the page, rather than registering a listener.</p> <p>Tables everywhere - but equally, doing it through CSS is so hard compared.</p> Use of ‘onEvent’ handlers in the page, rather than registering a listener.

Tables everywhere - but equally, doing it through CSS is so hard compared.

]]> By: BerislavLopac http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4127 BerislavLopac Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4127 <p>One of the most common bad practices, especially when it comes to Web applications, is trying to make a Web application look and behave like desktop app, especially when it's done with horrible JS solutions.</p> One of the most common bad practices, especially when it comes to Web applications, is trying to make a Web application look and behave like desktop app, especially when it’s done with horrible JS solutions.

]]> By: CorporateSlacker http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4128 CorporateSlacker Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4128 <p>My current employer has been known to pass out screenshots of MS Access and say "build this." In HTML and javascript....there is some fugly code running around this office....</p> My current employer has been known to pass out screenshots of MS Access and say “build this.” In HTML and javascript….there is some fugly code running around this office….

]]> By: sil http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4129 sil Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4129 <p>BerislavLopec: that's interesting. I wouldn't necessarily call that an example of bad practice; trying to make a web app look like a desktop app isn't inherently a bad thing. People understand how to use desktop apps; if there is such a thing as a UI standard, that's where it's to be found. There are no human interface guidelines for the web, and only a set of de facto rules which are violated so regularly that they aren't rules at all. Perhaps you could explain in more detail why looking like a desktop app is so bad?</p> BerislavLopec: that’s interesting. I wouldn’t necessarily call that an example of bad practice; trying to make a web app look like a desktop app isn’t inherently a bad thing. People understand how to use desktop apps; if there is such a thing as a UI standard, that’s where it’s to be found. There are no human interface guidelines for the web, and only a set of de facto rules which are violated so regularly that they aren’t rules at all. Perhaps you could explain in more detail why looking like a desktop app is so bad?

]]> By: messclf http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4130 messclf Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4130 <p>nice</p> nice

]]> By: maetl http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4131 maetl Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4131 <p>bad practice... mmm... long procedural looping, conditionals, discrete elements of logic not abstracted as functions... treating js like c, just because the syntax is similar... I learned this the hard way :( hopefully new people starting out these days will have a much better perspective to begin with.</p> bad practice… mmm… long procedural looping, conditionals, discrete elements of logic not abstracted as functions… treating js like c, just because the syntax is similar… I learned this the hard way :( hopefully new people starting out these days will have a much better perspective to begin with.

]]> By: CorporateSlacker http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4132 CorporateSlacker Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4132 <p>maetl - given the low level of proficiency my IT professors exhibited with JavaScript ("just learn to adapt other people's code...hardly anyone actually writes JavaScript from scratch"), I doubt it.</p> maetl - given the low level of proficiency my IT professors exhibited with JavaScript (”just learn to adapt other people’s code…hardly anyone actually writes JavaScript from scratch”), I doubt it.

]]> By: codepoet http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4133 codepoet Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4133 <p>Personally, I think the danger of making a web app look like a desktop app is that you don't have the same controlled environment and you have to deliver the app through a third party product - namely the browser. This is especially obvious when it comes to keyboard testing. Accesskeys fail because the operating system and the browser already use a lot of shortcuts themselves. </p> <p>One example that always bugs the hell out of me are Eric Meyer's slides, as used by almost everyone at @media.<br /> http://adactio.com/atmedia2005/<br /> Dunno about MSIE, but in Firefox typing something in the address bar to go away and hitting enter shows the next slide instead :-)<br /> </p> Personally, I think the danger of making a web app look like a desktop app is that you don’t have the same controlled environment and you have to deliver the app through a third party product - namely the browser. This is especially obvious when it comes to keyboard testing. Accesskeys fail because the operating system and the browser already use a lot of shortcuts themselves.

One example that always bugs the hell out of me are Eric Meyer’s slides, as used by almost everyone at @media.
http://adactio.com/atmedia2005/
Dunno about MSIE, but in Firefox typing something in the address bar to go away and hitting enter shows the next slide instead :-)

]]> By: Adrian http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4134 Adrian Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4134 <p>IE only scripting. The countless sites (particularly banks!) that prevent a form from being submitted when a piece of javascript fails.</p> IE only scripting. The countless sites (particularly banks!) that prevent a form from being submitted when a piece of javascript fails.

]]> By: someonewhois http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/23/lists-of-things-to-know/#comment-4135 someonewhois Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 940930493#comment-4135 <p>Adrian -- "IE Scripting" is the same as requiring JS. It shouldn't be, especially for something like banking. JS should be an addon, not the only thing.</p> Adrian — “IE Scripting” is the same as requiring JS. It shouldn’t be, especially for something like banking. JS should be an addon, not the only thing.

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