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	<title>Comments on: Another passenger on the Eclipse bandwagon: Flash?!</title>
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		<title>By: BerislavLopac</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/08/another-passenger-on-the-eclipse-bandwagon-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-4400</link>
		<dc:creator>BerislavLopac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now if all of them only embraced SVG/Javascript instead the classic SWF/ActionScript format...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if all of them only embraced SVG/Javascript instead the classic SWF/ActionScript format&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/08/another-passenger-on-the-eclipse-bandwagon-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-4401</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: SVG/JS....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Part of the great difficulty in this type of work is getting a predictable runtime engine onto all of the audience members&#039; individual machines. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Macromedia Flash Player already has very high desktop presence (higher than IE/Win!), and the adoption costs (download, installation, habits &amp; UI) are much lower than for any browser.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The document browsers *are* converging on advanced functionality -- this year, for example, marks the first time large numbers of developers are comfortable in doing live data requests from their audience members&#039; varied machines -- but if you can do something in some SVG and JavaScript today, go for it!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;
John Dowdell&lt;br /&gt;
Macromedia Support&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: SVG/JS&#8230;.</p>
<p>Part of the great difficulty in this type of work is getting a predictable runtime engine onto all of the audience members&#8217; individual machines. </p>
<p>The Macromedia Flash Player already has very high desktop presence (higher than IE/Win!), and the adoption costs (download, installation, habits &#038; UI) are much lower than for any browser.</p>
<p>The document browsers *are* converging on advanced functionality &#8212; this year, for example, marks the first time large numbers of developers are comfortable in doing live data requests from their audience members&#8217; varied machines &#8212; but if you can do something in some SVG and JavaScript today, go for it!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
John Dowdell<br />
Macromedia Support</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Henke</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/08/another-passenger-on-the-eclipse-bandwagon-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-4402</link>
		<dc:creator>Henke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Answer to BerislavLopac...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SVG is a good standard for graphics, and JavaScript is also a good language, but you&#039;re missing your target saying that... The reason (amongst others) developers/designers use flash is because of the ease in which you implement media into flash and then customize it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can load audio, video, xml, POSTs and WebServices into Flash, on the fly - try doing that with JavaScript ;) - xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#039;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#039;t it? Audio is non-streaming, mostly either wave or in the form of MIDI, and now we&#039;re talking the happy days of 1997 :) with the black personal homepages with midi sounds and abundant moving gifs.&lt;br /&gt;
In my opinion Flash is a development environment, and not only a creative graphics tool. This is something I believe even more after reading the news-post above.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>SVG is a good standard for graphics, and JavaScript is also a good language, but you&#8217;re missing your target saying that&#8230; The reason (amongst others) developers/designers use flash is because of the ease in which you implement media into flash and then customize it.</p>
<p>I can load audio, video, xml, POSTs and WebServices into Flash, on the fly &#8211; try doing that with JavaScript ;) &#8211; xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#8217;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#8217;t it? Audio is non-streaming, mostly either wave or in the form of MIDI, and now we&#8217;re talking the happy days of 1997 :) with the black personal homepages with midi sounds and abundant moving gifs.<br />
In my opinion Flash is a development environment, and not only a creative graphics tool. This is something I believe even more after reading the news-post above.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Yank</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/08/another-passenger-on-the-eclipse-bandwagon-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-4403</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Yank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#039;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#039;t it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;For the record, that&#039;s not right. XML works to a useful level in most modern browsers. SVG support is still sadly lacking, however, let alone SVG with embedded multimedia.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#8217;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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</p><p>For the record, that&#8217;s not right. XML works to a useful level in most modern browsers. SVG support is still sadly lacking, however, let alone SVG with embedded multimedia.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: asp_funda</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/08/another-passenger-on-the-eclipse-bandwagon-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>asp_funda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I can load audio, video, xml, POSTs and WebServices into Flash, on the fly - try doing that with JavaScript ;) - &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
LOL, you live in an ancient world!! All that can be done in JavaScript too. Dude, you ought to come out from your cabin &amp; visit the outside world(latest on web development) often!! ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#039;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#039;t it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Like I said, you ought to get around &amp; know what&#039;s happening around!! ;) XML is not restricted to IE only!! Its available in Mozilla/FireFox &amp; Opera as well, though their implementation is different than IE. But you can come over that by writing a wrapper which detects the browser &amp; executes the proper code.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can load audio, video, xml, POSTs and WebServices into Flash, on the fly &#8211; try doing that with JavaScript ;) &#8211; 
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LOL, you live in an ancient world!! All that can be done in JavaScript too. Dude, you ought to come out from your cabin &#038; visit the outside world(latest on web development) often!! ;)</p>
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xml is only supported in IE as far as I know via JavaScript and it&#8217;s blocked after SP2 in XP, isn&#8217;t it?
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Like I said, you ought to get around &#038; know what&#8217;s happening around!! ;) XML is not restricted to IE only!! Its available in Mozilla/FireFox &#038; Opera as well, though their implementation is different than IE. But you can come over that by writing a wrapper which detects the browser &#038; executes the proper code.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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